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Post by Bwoods11 on Oct 19, 2019 6:26:10 GMT -6
Most of the successful hunter pictures I am seeing, seem to be the younger kids. Maybe this will work.... I don’t have any problem with kids enjoying the hunt and bagging the deer. That’s great. Timing is bad for other hunters, not just deer hunters. When will adding gun seasons end in MN. If this is the LAST gun season added. I’m not gonna worry about it. 13 gun days from Oct 15-Nov 17 is terrible for yearling buck survival... the DNR even admitted that to me in an email.
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Post by batman on Oct 19, 2019 6:30:40 GMT -6
Most of the successful hunter pictures I am seeing, seem to be the younger kids. Maybe this will work.... I don’t have any problem with kids enjoying the hunt and bagging the deer. That’s great. Timing is bad for other hunters, not just deer hunters. When will adding gun seasons end in MN. If this is the LAST gun season added. I’m not gonna worry about it. 13 gun days from Oct 15-Nov 17 is terrible for yearling buck survival... the DNR even admitted that to me in an email. DNR can not manage for the numbers they want if there is quality. AKA big bucks. When an area has good deer, people invest and refuse to manage for 15 dpsm. You have to try your best to destroy the quality of the hunt to manage deer if you are the DNR.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Oct 19, 2019 6:33:28 GMT -6
Agree that’s pretty much what the DNR director told me.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2019 6:58:29 GMT -6
If us old dudes are supposed to accept change, here's my proposal. I'll accept this 4 day interruption of the pre-rut, but then we should also go ahead and push the firearm season start back by a week. I'm sure there's lots of old dude acceptance out there for that proposal.
It sure seems bowhunters are considered second class citizens in this state.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2019 7:24:32 GMT -6
We have argued this before, guys, but are we just being greedy ?
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2019 7:40:51 GMT -6
Is all change automatically good? Can't the argument be made that resistance to any change is "greedy"? Why do today's youth need to be handed everything without putting in any work? Is this "trophy for everyone" mentality creating the type of young people we want developed?
I'll support this change if the MNDNR can prove via longitudinal study that the youth season is bringing new hunters to the field and keeping those new hunters hunting for the long term. If they can't or don't, it is simply another bullshit move on the MNDNR's part to reduce the deer herd statewide and fuck up bowhunting.
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Post by batman on Oct 19, 2019 7:44:05 GMT -6
Is all change automatically good? Can't the argument be made that resistance to any change is "greedy"? Why do today's youth need to be handed everything without putting in any work? Is this "trophy for everyone" mentality creating the type of young people we want developed? I'll support this change if the MNDNR can prove via longitudinal study that the youth season is bringing new hunters to the field and keeping those new hunters hunting for the long term. If they can't or don't, it is simply another bullshit move on the MNDNR's part to reduce the deer herd statewide and fuck up bowhunting. If you ask the DNR they refer to canned response #3: "Things would be worse without this effort". Highlighting bowhunting is interesting. Bowhunting affords more time than 2 weekends afield. It makes an investment deer more reasonable. Which the DNR likely does not appreciate. How many hardcore MN only hunters do you know that only firearm hunt?
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Post by Freeborn on Oct 19, 2019 7:50:20 GMT -6
Is all change automatically good? Can't the argument be made that resistance to any change is "greedy"? Why do today's youth need to be handed everything without putting in any work? Is this "trophy for everyone" mentality creating the type of young people we want developed? I'll support this change if the MNDNR can prove via longitudinal study that the youth season is bringing new hunters to the field and keeping those new hunters hunting for the long term. If they can't or don't, it is simply another bullshit move on the MNDNR's part to reduce the deer herd statewide and fuck up bowhunting. It does seem like window dressing on a giant deception. If they want to improve long term hunter recruitment they need to put out a better quality product/experience. In my opinion that means allot more older age class deer. Without a better experience most youth will probably get bored with mediocre quality hunting and eventually quit.
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Post by Bob on Oct 19, 2019 7:56:40 GMT -6
If us old dudes are supposed to accept change, here's my proposal. I'll accept this 4 day interruption of the pre-rut, but then we should also go ahead and push the firearm season start back by a week. I'm sure there's lots of old dude acceptance out there for that proposal. It sure seems bowhunters are considered second class citizens in this state.Try being a non-resident bowhunting cat.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2019 7:58:23 GMT -6
I am not completely sure of my above views. I don’t know if this youth hunt is good, but I am afraid we are stuck with it until cwd hits our area. Then everyone will be in the MEA Hunt.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2019 7:59:45 GMT -6
Is all change automatically good? Can't the argument be made that resistance to any change is "greedy"? Why do today's youth need to be handed everything without putting in any work? Is this "trophy for everyone" mentality creating the type of young people we want developed? I'll support this change if the MNDNR can prove via longitudinal study that the youth season is bringing new hunters to the field and keeping those new hunters hunting for the long term. If they can't or don't, it is simply another bullshit move on the MNDNR's part to reduce the deer herd statewide and fuck up bowhunting. If you ask the DNR they refer to canned response #3: "Things would be worse without this effort". Highlighting bowhunting is interesting. Bowhunting affords more time than 2 weekends afield. It makes an investment deer more reasonable. Which the DNR likely does not appreciate. How many hardcore MN only hunters do you know that only firearm hunt? Bowhunting is the only reason I own rec land and pay property taxes on that land. Sure, I have firearm hunted here since I bought the place but I certainly wouldn't have bought land in MN to firearm hunt. I've dumped a shitload of time, effort, and money into this land so I can have as quality of a bowhunt as possible. It certainly seems to me the MNDNR considers my goals as a bowhunting land owner to be of no value to them.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2019 8:09:02 GMT -6
Is all change automatically good? Can't the argument be made that resistance to any change is "greedy"? Why do today's youth need to be handed everything without putting in any work? Is this "trophy for everyone" mentality creating the type of young people we want developed? I'll support this change if the MNDNR can prove via longitudinal study that the youth season is bringing new hunters to the field and keeping those new hunters hunting for the long term. If they can't or don't, it is simply another bullshit move on the MNDNR's part to reduce the deer herd statewide and fuck up bowhunting. If you ask the DNR they refer to canned response #3: "Things would be worse without this effort". Highlighting bowhunting is interesting. Bowhunting affords more time than 2 weekends afield. It makes an investment deer more reasonable. Which the DNR likely does not appreciate. How many hardcore MN only hunters do you know that only firearm hunt? I would reply that over half of my dedicated hunting friends are only rifle hunters. Many have tried bowhunting but have not stuck with it. I have a buddy that is very unhappy about the long bow season. He is counting off the nice bucks killed in his area by bowhunters and fears the late rifle season will allow more decent bucks killed by bow hunters. Just the opposite of your guys argument. He is complaining over the youth hunt. He had told me that I should not shoot young bucks. I haven’t said much, but I feel his emphasis on big bucks is ruining the hunt for himself and many other people around him. We are in difficult situations and hunt about 2.5 miles apart. In a good 9 day season, I see about twenty deer. He has seen 40-50 per night and over 250 per rifle season. I just think we all need to lighten up and appreciate that most of us have decent numbers. Less emphasis on big bucks and more emphasis on enjoying the hunt. Yet, I still have mixed feelings on this weekends youth hunt. Trying to look at the bright side. No shots around here this morning.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2019 8:24:26 GMT -6
If you ask the DNR they refer to canned response #3: "Things would be worse without this effort". Highlighting bowhunting is interesting. Bowhunting affords more time than 2 weekends afield. It makes an investment deer more reasonable. Which the DNR likely does not appreciate. How many hardcore MN only hunters do you know that only firearm hunt? Bowhunting is the only reason I own rec land and pay property taxes on that land. Sure, I have firearm hunted here since I bought the place but I certainly wouldn't have bought land in MN to firearm hunt. I've dumped a shitload of time, effort, and money into this land so I can have as quality of a bowhunt as possible. It certainly seems to me the MNDNR considers my goals as a bowhunting land owner to be of no value to them. All they want is more deer killed so they can manage for birds and bees and not worry about deer. I asked our area manager about a clover trail on a local WMA where his firebreaks are. It is not going to be allowed as we need more prairie grasses and there are endangered plants over there. Clover, pheasants, and turkeys are not native here. I asked about the grouse hunting trails and he says those are in the woods, not here. I pointed out that sportsman’s dollars were the driving force in this land purchase that became a WMA. We shouldn’t be managing these lands just for birds and bees but for game species. Disgusted, too.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2019 10:40:57 GMT -6
I am not completely sure of my above views. I don’t know if this youth hunt is good, but I am afraid we are stuck with it until cwd hits our area. Then everyone will be in the MEA Hunt.If MEA hunt means early antlerless for everyone, plus the youth hunt...I agree. I'm guessing the kill this year won't be as high as the DNR wants thanks to all the standing corn. Next year I expect an expansion of Intensive units, and early antlerless in more of this year's Intensive units. It only gets worse.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2019 12:38:20 GMT -6
Young lady shot a great 11 pointer a half dozen miles south of me. We need to congratulate these youth and keep their enthusiasm up.
Brad’s boys had a good time a few weeks ago.
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