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Post by smsmith on Jan 24, 2020 14:22:28 GMT -6
This CWD "scare" is going to backfire on the MNDNR (and likely other DNRs). Instead of hunters shooting more deer of all ages and sexes, fewer people are going to hunt, and those remaining hunters will shoot fewer and fewer deer. Come up with a cheap and easy field test...boom, problem solved.  Right, so who wants to go out and shoot a deer to not eat it? |
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Post by kl9 on Jan 24, 2020 14:24:47 GMT -6
This CWD "scare" is going to backfire on the MNDNR (and likely other DNRs). Instead of hunters shooting more deer of all ages and sexes, fewer people are going to hunt, and those remaining hunters will shoot fewer and fewer deer. Come up with a cheap and easy field test...boom, problem solved. Where is this excerpt from ? |
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Post by smsmith on Jan 24, 2020 14:26:39 GMT -6
Where is this excerpt from ? The Twilight Zone |
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Post by batman on Jan 24, 2020 14:32:37 GMT -6
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Post by smsmith on Jan 24, 2020 14:39:40 GMT -6
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Post by kl9 on Jan 24, 2020 15:30:32 GMT -6
It’s funny the CDC article they link says no strong evidence has been found of CWD to CJD. High school level journalism
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 24, 2020 17:25:04 GMT -6
You guys can all roll over and play dead and take the shit they dole out. I won't stop. We have accomplished change. Without those actions a lot of deer herds that were and under Beaus control would be far worse than today, and his efforts would have been internally applauded and expanded. Bowhunter surveys. Annual harvest goals. Continued goal setting processes. Buck harvest metric. If my zone was under the knife this year you can bet your ass my posse would submit more surveys than the rest of the area combined. Those numbers would be hard to ignore. Batman made a difference over here. Now I hear avid hunters saying we have too many deer. I don’t agree and feel brainwashing is going on. They fear disease from too many deer. I fear disease also, but enjoy it while you can. The state has changed the process. I would say that one should attend and speak up. You might make a tiny difference. CWD will over ride all efforts anyway. |
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Post by smsmith on Jan 24, 2020 18:43:23 GMT -6
It’s funny the CDC article they link says no strong evidence has been found of CWD to CJD. High school level journalism I'd say that's a generous description. Closer to purposely false I'd say |
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Post by smsmith on Jan 24, 2020 18:46:03 GMT -6
You guys can all roll over and play dead and take the shit they dole out. I won't stop. We have accomplished change. Without those actions a lot of deer herds that were and under Beaus control would be far worse than today, and his efforts would have been internally applauded and expanded. Bowhunter surveys. Annual harvest goals. Continued goal setting processes. Buck harvest metric. If my zone was under the knife this year you can bet your ass my posse would submit more surveys than the rest of the area combined. Those numbers would be hard to ignore. Batman made a difference over here. Now I hear avid hunters saying we have too many deer. I don’t agree and feel brainwashing is going on. They fear disease from too many deer. I fear disease also, but enjoy it while you can. The state has changed the process. I would say that one should attend and speak up. You might make a tiny difference.
CWD will over ride all efforts anyway.I find these two statements to be contradictory. Not a damn thing we're gonna do to change the course the MNDNR is taking. Speaking up may make a person feel better, I'll give you that. If you speak up thinking it matters and will change the direction the MNDNR is going to take...that's a different deal entirely |
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 24, 2020 19:48:01 GMT -6
Batman made a difference over here. Now I hear avid hunters saying we have too many deer. I don’t agree and feel brainwashing is going on. They fear disease from too many deer. I fear disease also, but enjoy it while you can. The state has changed the process. I would say that one should attend and speak up. You might make a tiny difference.
CWD will over ride all efforts anyway.I find these two statements to be contradictory. Not a damn thing we're gonna do to change the course the MNDNR is taking. Speaking up may make a person feel better, I'll give you that. If you speak up thinking it matters and will change the direction the MNDNR is going to take...that's a different deal entirely How about I say, speak up and it might make a difference until cWD hits. |
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Post by smsmith on Jan 24, 2020 21:07:36 GMT -6
I find these two statements to be contradictory. Not a damn thing we're gonna do to change the course the MNDNR is taking. Speaking up may make a person feel better, I'll give you that. If you speak up thinking it matters and will change the direction the MNDNR is going to take...that's a different deal entirely How about I say, speak up and it might make a difference until cWD hits.Sadly, it's too late |
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Post by sd51555 on Jan 24, 2020 22:24:25 GMT -6
How about I say, speak up and it might make a difference until cWD hits.Sadly, it's too late If you believe it, it is true. When the DNR intentionally boxed out MBI and any MDDI guys from participating in the deer plan team, it was almost complete. When I found out the DNR asked the Women Hunting and Fishing in the Outdoors to join the team (they had no interest in it), the civic approach was over. I knew at that point, the only card left for the movement, as a whole, was to go after the one thing they couldn't control with absolute power: credibility. Look at these meetings. They may think it's a victory that they're poorly attended. They'd be foolish to believe that. I think that is a loud piece of feedback that nobody has any interest in believing their participation will amount to shit. "Fuck 'em. We'll manage on our own. They can't make me kill 'em all." Will that save deer hunting? Not a chance. Still too many hunters disconnected from the land. Their public spot goes to shit, they'll just move to another, and another, and another, like the migration from zone 1 to zone 2. They've shown they control MDHA and Blufflands, and even that hasn't been enough. Blufflands has had to block a bunch of people from their facebook page to keep the dissent down. Every deer-org had to come out in unison to discredit the LSU guy when word started spreading that he was onto a potential cure. All at once, the media space was occupied by naysayers. That still wasn't enough. They have the power, purse, and microphone, but they don't have the individual minds. There are a lot more people awake now than ever before. Will there be any law or reg changes due to outrage? Not a chance. They don't have to listen, and they can tell the legislature what they want, and have it delivered without amendment. Now is it over? In my opinion, No. Two metrics will tell you if the state is winning, and those are license sales and deer killed. Will guys give up and quit? If they don't, will they keep shooting? Still no biggie for the agenda. The state can set up on their property and corn draw a pile in and kill them. If they don't have enough deeds in a given area, they can find one disgruntled stakeholder and set up shop and shoot the shit out of a pile there. Now is it over? No. At that point, it's time to sharpen the pencil and decide if it's easier to stay and end this whitetail cold war, or pick up the shed and move to another state. I believe they can manage the statewide herd 100% without hunters. We're not there yet, and we're not ready. But if they keep stoking the CWD, economic loss, landscaping damage fire, the people will demand the herd destroyed, even the vegan disney kids. "We could get human CWD!" There are lots more events to come before this gets bad. I've got the formula all cued up for when that day arrives. I'll know quickly what'll make the dollars deliver the experience. Stay and compete, or cut and run. In the end, if the people don't want the deer or don't stand up for the deer, there won't be any. The guys that want deer can have them if they're willing to do what it takes. |
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Post by Reagan on Jan 25, 2020 4:14:04 GMT -6
So what happened to the LSU guy? Is his cure ready?
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 25, 2020 4:41:51 GMT -6
If you believe it, it is true. When the DNR intentionally boxed out MBI and any MDDI guys from participating in the deer plan team, it was almost complete. When I found out the DNR asked the Women Hunting and Fishing in the Outdoors to join the team (they had no interest in it), the civic approach was over. I knew at that point, the only card left for the movement, as a whole, was to go after the one thing they couldn't control with absolute power: credibility. Look at these meetings. They may think it's a victory that they're poorly attended. They'd be foolish to believe that. I think that is a loud piece of feedback that nobody has any interest in believing their participation will amount to shit. "Fuck 'em. We'll manage on our own. They can't make me kill 'em all." Will that save deer hunting? Not a chance. Still too many hunters disconnected from the land. Their public spot goes to shit, they'll just move to another, and another, and another, like the migration from zone 1 to zone 2. They've shown they control MDHA and Blufflands, and even that hasn't been enough. Blufflands has had to block a bunch of people from their facebook page to keep the dissent down. Every deer-org had to come out in unison to discredit the LSU guy when word started spreading that he was onto a potential cure. All at once, the media space was occupied by naysayers. That still wasn't enough. They have the power, purse, and microphone, but they don't have the individual minds. There are a lot more people awake now than ever before. Will there be any law or reg changes due to outrage? Not a chance. They don't have to listen, and they can tell the legislature what they want, and have it delivered without amendment. Now is it over? In my opinion, No. Two metrics will tell you if the state is winning, and those are license sales and deer killed. Will guys give up and quit? If they don't, will they keep shooting? Still no biggie for the agenda. The state can set up on their property and corn draw a pile in and kill them. If they don't have enough deeds in a given area, they can find one disgruntled stakeholder and set up shop and shoot the shit out of a pile there. Now is it over? No. At that point, it's time to sharpen the pencil and decide if it's easier to stay and end this whitetail cold war, or pick up the shed and move to another state. I believe they can manage the statewide herd 100% without hunters. We're not there yet, and we're not ready. But if they keep stoking the CWD, economic loss, landscaping damage fire, the people will demand the herd destroyed, even the vegan disney kids. "We could get human CWD!" There are lots more events to come before this gets bad. I've got the formula all cued up for when that day arrives. I'll know quickly what'll make the dollars deliver the experience. Stay and compete, or cut and run. In the end, if the people don't want the deer or don't stand up for the deer, there won't be any. The guys that want deer can have them if they're willing to do what it takes. I snuck in the back door. Probably a waste of time, but I got to see the process. |
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Post by smsmith on Jan 25, 2020 7:01:17 GMT -6
I believe they can manage the statewide herd 100% without hunters. We're not there yet, and we're not ready. But if they keep stoking the CWD, economic loss, landscaping damage fire, the people will demand the herd destroyed, even the vegan disney kids. "We could get human CWD!" I don't believe that is likely. At least not without a complete change within the MNDNR philosophy. It would also require a huge addition of man power and a new source of revenue. I guess it's possible, but I really doubt it happens in any of our lifetimes. |
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