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Post by badbrad on Mar 6, 2020 9:13:58 GMT -6
What do you guys think about row width for us plotters? I can get anywhere from 30" - 38" rows. What do you guys like in that regard. My JD71 2-row planter is set up for 30" rows. I'd leave it at 30" for corn. Most times I double plant the beans by planting between the rows...thus 15" rows. Seems to help on weeds. Ive seen some 71s out there. What are the pros and cons on them over say a 7000 series. |
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Post by jbird on Mar 6, 2020 9:38:32 GMT -6
My experience with corn is that the deer will naturally want to enter at the corners. I also tend to be able to get away with putting all my fertilizer down at the time of planting....even my N....and the corn will do fine. I typically till, fertilize and plant all in the same day. In my area the rule of thumb is 100 lbs of a balanced fertilizer per acre and then an additional pound of N per desired bushel of corn (so I apply another 100 lbs of N at a minimum). It will do "better" if you apply the N once the corn gets growing and you have killed the weeds, but it's not entirely required, at least I have been able to get away with it. As for a "path" you could simply plant your corn and then till up or mow the young plant and then plant whatever you want. I have done this with RR beans before. I like "lanes" in corn because 3 or 4 rows can hide a deer pretty well.
If you are using a wheeler for spraying....not just the width but also the ground clearance needs to be considered. I like to give the weeds a chance to pop-up before I spray to ensure I get them all. If your corn is too tall or your wheeler too low it can damage the corn as well...this becomes really important if you have a cart type sprayer vs a wheeler/rack mount system. So you will need to keep that in the back of your head also. Last thing you want to do is put all that time, effort and money into growing corn and then you destroy it later.
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Post by Tooln on Mar 6, 2020 11:18:20 GMT -6
You can drive over beans with your wheeler and they pop right back. But you won't get away with it on corn very well. That is what I've heard. I will measure my wheeler wheel base later today to see where that is at. I'd be more concerned with the tractor wheel base. |
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Post by Bob on Mar 6, 2020 13:01:00 GMT -6
Spacing? Make the yield with half the inputs.
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Post by Freeborn on Mar 6, 2020 13:01:06 GMT -6
Mo should comment on row width. Most new hybrids can be planted allot closer together than years ago. I plant both my soybeans and corn at 16" and they do just fine. My neighbor the farmer plants even narrower rows for corn than I do.
One thing about the Flex 71 planters is the old seed plates were designed when the actual seed size was much larger so when ordering plates you need to know the size of the seed and the dimension of the slot to determine if the plate will work the way you want them to.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 6, 2020 13:31:59 GMT -6
The 71 was and is a very popular planter. It was made for several companies (Deere, IH, A/C and ?) by Yetter. Yetter still makes this planter and sells a number of them. You can get all the parts from Yetter....or JD. These are the best planters for folks that need different seed plates for vegetable farming and that sort of thing (I'm told). I think after you would get set up with one of these you would never wear it out.
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Post by badbrad on Mar 6, 2020 13:56:08 GMT -6
That is what I've heard. I will measure my wheeler wheel base later today to see where that is at. I'd be more concerned with the tractor wheel base. Why. I don't have a sprayer for the tractor and likely never will. |
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Post by Tooln on Mar 6, 2020 17:39:40 GMT -6
I'd be more concerned with the tractor wheel base. Why. I don't have a sprayer for the tractor and likely never will. Your planter and tractor should match. You do not want to plant in the compacted wheel tracks of the tractor. |
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 6, 2020 18:53:55 GMT -6
or mow the trail like Art did. get it to connect spots they like and now they are in the cover of corn when they walk. I also have a few skipped rows planted to rye and at right angles to the cross trails. Rye strips are shooting lanes. |
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Post by badbrad on Mar 7, 2020 11:15:34 GMT -6
or mow the trail like Art did. get it to connect spots they like and now they are in the cover of corn when they walk. I also have a few skipped rows planted to rye and at right angles to the cross trails. Rye strips are shooting lanes. How wide do you shoot for for the strips ? |
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 7, 2020 14:31:00 GMT -6
I also have a few skipped rows planted to rye and at right angles to the cross trails. Rye strips are shooting lanes. How wide do you shoot for for the strips ? Ten feet or so. |
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Post by batman on Mar 7, 2020 14:50:09 GMT -6
Bart would say 30 inches. Spinner would say length of a deer, Turd would say 8 to 10 feet.
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Post by badbrad on Mar 9, 2020 10:12:01 GMT -6
Ok another question. How close do you plant to the tree line? Do you leave a perimeter strip and plant that rye or something so you can see and shoot deer going into and out of the corn? Or does that make them more nervous having to expose themselves for that little section?
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Post by jbird on Mar 9, 2020 10:37:24 GMT -6
Why. I don't have a sprayer for the tractor and likely never will. Your planter and tractor should match. You do not want to plant in the compacted wheel tracks of the tractor. I do it all the time.....It's not ideal....but it doesn't seem to bother it much from what I have seen. Now I use a tiller first to get a really good seed bed and my tractor is a little 30 hp model and I don't have much clay in the soil..... Heck in fact I use it to my advantage at times and once planted I will use the tractor tires to go back over the rows to ensure the seed is packed to reduce critters from digging the seed out. Again...maybe not ideal, but it works for me. |
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Post by jbird on Mar 9, 2020 10:58:04 GMT -6
Ok another question. How close do you plant to the tree line? Do you leave a perimeter strip and plant that rye or something so you can see and shoot deer going into and out of the corn? Or does that make them more nervous having to expose themselves for that little section? 2 of my 3 best bucks I killed while they lingered a bit too long in the gap between the woods and the corn. The location in particular is at a sharp bend in the creek with steep banks so it's a natural funnel and different cover types all come together. I have about a 30 yard wide "filter strip" that runs along the wood line that is mostly just weeds but I mow the area where the deer come out of the woods and head toward the corn and clover and other fresh plants are there and the does will sort of feed thru the area. This is right at the corner of the corn plot. So the deer like to enter there as it is. Both times I had does feeding in this "void" working their way to the corn when antlers showed up. Standing corn provides a really good screen so you need shooting lanes or to be high enough to see down into the corn....otherwise 4 rows of good corn will block a clear shot. Without shooting lanes - I see no point in hunting a large corn plot. Hunt the more defined trails leading to and from it. Both times as the girls started to move toward the corn he lagged a little behind and BOOM! He got whacked! Once the deer hit the corn they are very difficult to track as it's like they walked into a big thicket. You know they are in there, but keeping track of them is nearly impossible. Also keep in mind with corn....right up against the woods the first few rows will struggle and be coon and squirrel food anyways. Just my 2 cents worth. |
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