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Post by mnaaron on May 8, 2020 19:11:23 GMT -6
I am kind of surprised I didn’t get more 6.5 creedmoor lovers. I asked a few friends around here and they almost all said 6.5 creedmoor. 308 has been mentioned by tons of people. I know my bro shoots it and loves it.
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Post by Foggy on May 8, 2020 19:34:59 GMT -6
Seems all the rage these days is 6.5 creedmore. Generally those guys are shooting long range for accuracy. Good round....no doubt. Never shot one. But the bullet is getting a little on the small side for deer or bigger critters. Still....bullets today can be made to go down a caliber or two and perform quite nicely. Still lots of good 25 calibers for deer (same general diameter) which includes the 250 savage (308 win case) the 25-06 which is the 30-06 case necked to 25 cal and some others. I use a 25-06 in recent hunts....and it kills like lighting with a reasonably placed shot. My gun is a Savage heavy barrel unit with accutrigger......and it is super accurate to 400 yards or more. ^ That said. I prefer a 7mm or 30 caliber bullet for deer. Bigger hole / good blood trial / more damage. Good accuracy comes from short, fat cartridges.....thus the 308 brsss has become the brass of choice in this area. It's what is used in the Crred, 7mm08, 308 and some others. Good case size and accuracy and works in SHORT ACTIONS....which is nice for bolt and lever guns. My most recent deer guns are in lever action 308 chambering. One a Henry Single Shot and one in a Savage 99. I love both guns....but would not recommend the Henrey Single-Shot due to a poor trigger disign. (it got a crazy heavy hammer and trigger pull....and will take some gunsmithing to get it right - poor design). I also own a Remington Mountain Rifle in 280 reminngotn. It's one of the best, but you may not find ammo for it in some areas. the case is simply a 30-06 case necked to 7mm....but has never quite taken off like others. Still....its capable of doing most anything I need doing. I've killed elk, bears and deer with it. Never failed me. Recoil is a bit more in the 30-06 case....but not a huge deal. It's all an incremental game. If I were to buy any deer gun today....it would be 7mm08 or 308 chambers. So many good and cheap rounds to chose from and will kill a deer (or antelope, elk or moose) at most ranges folks will shoot at. Also you can find ammo for the 308 anywhere you go.....and the 7mm08 is not too far behind. Go for something more exotic....and you may regret it. Recoil from these guns is quite mild.....so most anyone enjoys shooting these guns if they are not too light. Still...they can pack a punch. Right now....the Henry Lever Action LONG RANGER is a dandy deer rifle in my mind. It does not have the same goofy trigger as in the single shot models.. Sounds like s great shooter and is nice to carry. I have come to like lever actions over the past decade or two.. The original "assault rifle". . Fast handling and a bit of nostalgia for us old westerners, and old cowboys. Otherwise....just buy an ugly bolt gun and be satisfied with it. . I'd love to push the Henry Single shot rifle at folks.....alas...that trigger affair they have is bad juju. Who needs more than one shot anyway? .....unless your on solar power or something?
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Post by Freeborn on May 8, 2020 19:52:36 GMT -6
I am kind of surprised I didn’t get more 6.5 creedmoor lovers. I asked a few friends around here and they almost all said 6.5 creedmoor. 308 has been mentioned by tons of people. I know my bro shoots it and loves it. I don't know what your budget is but for woods hunting I have wanted for awhile a Browing BAR in 308. Nice light gun, handles quickly and enables quick backup shots should you need one.
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Post by Foggy on May 8, 2020 20:01:16 GMT -6
I am kind of surprised I didn’t get more 6.5 creedmoor lovers. I asked a few friends around here and they almost all said 6.5 creedmoor. 308 has been mentioned by tons of people. I know my bro shoots it and loves it. I don't know what your budget is but for woods hunting I have wanted for awhile a Browing BAR in 308. Nice light gun, handles quickly and enables quick backup shots should you need one. Said he had a $450 limit in the first post. Thus the push toward a Henry. Not sure what a Browing would sell for?? I had a Browning BLR in 243 at one time.....and lost a SUPER buck due to a poorly placed shot? or a too small hole??? Dunno....I thought I made a good shot. (you be he judge). I have not been a 243 advocate (for deer) since that time. Maybe just me? Today I like bigger holes in my deer. Still....you could score a nice Savage 99 in 308 for that money....if your lucky. Some of the used stuff is better than the new stuff. To me....any GOOD rifle (new or used) is gonna cost you $400 or more.....it's just a matter of preferences. www.pewpewtactical.com/best-lever-action-guns/
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Post by mnaaron on May 8, 2020 20:58:01 GMT -6
I will spend up to $800 for the rifle and then will need a scope. If I don’t have to spend that much for one that is even better. I mostly have remingtons and tika guns thus far.
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Post by Foggy on May 8, 2020 20:59:27 GMT -6
OK....so this is a bit of a challenge.....but here goes.
Today you have a few MAJOR choices in rifle chambers:
1. 30-06 size chambers....which are styled from the military rounds of WW!! LONG CASE.. Various neck sizes for bullet from 22 caliber (22-06) to 35 caliber (35 whlen). Maybe more?
2. 308 size chambers which are styled from somewhat later rounds. SHORT CASE. Same diameter as 30-06....but shorter case size and less taper so the case length does not "grow" some much upon firing.. (22-308 to ?? dunno if there is a 35-308 .....but likely lacks the power for such a round due to cartrige size. Sure...you can get even bigger case sizes into the magnums.....but for deer those are "overkill".
If you can think it....both of these cartridges have been neck sized to fit various bullet diameters.
So you have a large long case with more power due to more power and recoil and muzzle flash.....or a shorter cartridge with less powder but less recool and muzzle flash with the same bulelt weights / diameters. Thus the shooter should determine what he wants to do. Shoot at longer ranges with heavier bulletss.....or shorter ranges with lighter bullets and somewhat better accuracy.
Both of these cases can shoot bullet from 22 caliber to 35 caliber. (.224 to .335" diameter). The overall bullet performance and recoil will vary based largely on the velocity attained. Smaller diameter and lighter bullets will have less recoil than larger diameter bullets fired at higher speeds.
Thus it is up to the shooter / hunter to determine his tolerance for recoil and accuracy as well as other factors. Good Luck! Shoot straight and keep em in the bullseye.
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Post by benmnwi on May 8, 2020 21:03:38 GMT -6
Ive used a 7mm for critters from South Dakota turkeys to mn moose. It kicks a bit, but it makes a big hole in critters. If you need one gun for everything that is a good choice.
My brother has a .270 short mag that is a really nice deer size bullet that doesn't kick much. It has much less kick than the 7mm or .300 short mag I shoot occasionally. I will probably buy a .270 short mag for one of my kids when they are ready to deer hunt.
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Post by Sandbur on May 9, 2020 5:50:24 GMT -6
I shoot a 30.06 ... when I rifle hunt. Which is not often. .30-06 is never wrong. When we used to hunt in a larger group, we had many 30.06’s. Making drives and you could always borrow a few shells if needed. That type of hunting never appealed to me.
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Post by Sandbur on May 9, 2020 5:59:08 GMT -6
I don't know what your budget is but for woods hunting I have wanted for awhile a Browing BAR in 308. Nice light gun, handles quickly and enables quick backup shots should you need one. Said he had a $450 limit in the first post. Thus the push toward a Henry. Not sure what a Browing would sell for?? I had a Browning BLR in 243 at one time.....and lost a SUPER buck due to a poorly placed shot? or a too small hole??? Dunno....I thought I made a good shot. (you be he judge). I have not been a 243 advocate (for deer) since that time. Maybe just me? Today I like bigger holes in my deer. Still....you could score a nice Savage 99 in 308 for that money....if your lucky. Some of the used stuff is better than the new stuff. To me....any GOOD rifle (new or used) is gonna cost you $400 or more.....it's just a matter of preferences. www.pewpewtactical.com/best-lever-action-guns/I think we are both a bit outdated on not liking the .243 for deer with the new bulletin designs. That being said, I would not let my daughters use them for deer and went for 7.08. I still feel that way and I am not changing my mind. My brother in law is/was a good shot and he list a very nice buck where the bullet blew up on the shoulder at very close range. He suspects he had a varmint reload in there but was never quite sure.
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Post by Freeborn on May 9, 2020 6:07:09 GMT -6
I found the 30-06 tears up allot more meat then the .308 that's why years ago I went to a .308. Still a 30-06 is a very good all around gun and a gun with enough power to take out west. If the purpose of the gun is strictly deer with shots 300 yards or less I would recommend an all weather, shorter action rifle. Scopes, I would go larger tube (30) mm in a 2.5-12 range.
If you wanted to make the gun work for out west Mule deer I would look at the Winchester short mag in 7mm. This keeps the action short, the gun lite but provides a bullet with a better ballistic coefficient and more case powder capacity. Bullet is the right size for deer and you have a 600 yard gun you can carry all day. I hear very good things about Tikka and savage but not Remington.
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Post by Catscratch on May 9, 2020 6:42:37 GMT -6
I got to thinking about why I would advocate a slim and light-wt rifle. It dawned on me that my style of hunting may require several miles of walking and sneaking. Out of 30+ years of hunting I've only shot a couple of deer/yotes/cats with a rifle (mostly bow)... when I do go out I don't like things to be cumbersome. This rifle carries with ease and slips behind my shoulder/back to sneak through thick stuff without hanging up, or carries light if I have to walk 2 miles of open pasture to get to a spot. I don't like my shoulder to be worn out when it's time to shoot. My guns mostly get loaned out when I take kids or friends hunting (people who don't necessarily own a gun, and won't practice with a bow enough to get it done). My dad has a heavy barrel Savage in .308 (the same as my single-shot pictured). It has a bipod and a Springfield range-finding scope. Firsttimer's tend to grab it on their first hunt, never on their second hunt. It's heavy and bulky, shoots much better than any of us can make use of... but not a fun gun to hunt with. Even when we drop them off at a box blind and they don't have to carry it far, they still come back and pick up the lighter gun and say "this one". Enough with my ramble...
ps- I researched tons of calibers. Picked .308 after going to both the local walmart and gun store and saw the large selection of ammo, cheap price, and large quantities. I hate the thought of having to track down and special order ammo. Simple as that.
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Post by mnaaron on May 9, 2020 7:11:23 GMT -6
I got to thinking about why I would advocate a slim and light-wt rifle. It dawned on me that my style of hunting may require several miles of walking and sneaking. Out of 30+ years of hunting I've only shot a couple of deer/yotes/cats with a rifle (mostly bow)... when I do go out I don't like things to be cumbersome. This rifle carries with ease and slips behind my shoulder/back to sneak through thick stuff without hanging up, or carries light if I have to walk 2 miles of open pasture to get to a spot. I don't like my shoulder to be worn out when it's time to shoot. My guns mostly get loaned out when I take kids or friends hunting (people who don't necessarily own a gun, and won't practice with a bow enough to get it done). My dad has a heavy barrel Savage in .308 (the same as my single-shot pictured). It has a bipod and a Springfield range-finding scope. Firsttimer's tend to grab it on their first hunt, never on their second hunt. It's heavy and bulky, shoots much better than any of us can make use of... but not a fun gun to hunt with. Even when we drop them off at a box blind and they don't have to carry it far, they still come back and pick up the lighter gun and say "this one". Enough with my ramble...
ps- I researched tons of calibers. Picked .308 after going to both the local walmart and gun store and saw the large selection of ammo, cheap price, and large quantities. I hate the thought of having to track down and special order ammo. Simple as that. How loud is that muzzle brake in a box stand? I love how my 300 winmag shoots. Tikka makes a great gun. Maybe I get a 308 and install muzzle brake on the 300 as well.
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Post by biglakebass on May 9, 2020 7:13:11 GMT -6
i cant shoot a gun with a muzzle brake without muffs or plugs.
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Post by Catscratch on May 9, 2020 7:17:31 GMT -6
I got to thinking about why I would advocate a slim and light-wt rifle. It dawned on me that my style of hunting may require several miles of walking and sneaking. Out of 30+ years of hunting I've only shot a couple of deer/yotes/cats with a rifle (mostly bow)... when I do go out I don't like things to be cumbersome. This rifle carries with ease and slips behind my shoulder/back to sneak through thick stuff without hanging up, or carries light if I have to walk 2 miles of open pasture to get to a spot. I don't like my shoulder to be worn out when it's time to shoot. My guns mostly get loaned out when I take kids or friends hunting (people who don't necessarily own a gun, and won't practice with a bow enough to get it done). My dad has a heavy barrel Savage in .308 (the same as my single-shot pictured). It has a bipod and a Springfield range-finding scope. Firsttimer's tend to grab it on their first hunt, never on their second hunt. It's heavy and bulky, shoots much better than any of us can make use of... but not a fun gun to hunt with. Even when we drop them off at a box blind and they don't have to carry it far, they still come back and pick up the lighter gun and say "this one". Enough with my ramble...
ps- I researched tons of calibers. Picked .308 after going to both the local walmart and gun store and saw the large selection of ammo, cheap price, and large quantities. I hate the thought of having to track down and special order ammo. Simple as that. How loud is that muzzle brake in a box stand? I love how my 300 winmag shoots. Tikka makes a great gun. Maybe I get a 308 and install muzzle brake on the 300 as well. I don't shoot anything bigger than a .22 without protection. To answer your question; it's loud. Don't matter if I have a couple of shells stuffed into my ears though. There are brakes and compensators that direct the blast away from the shooter. If I was to ever buy a brake I would experiment with one of those.
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Post by Foggy on May 9, 2020 7:22:50 GMT -6
^. good sling choice. I have two of those. No muzzle brakes for me.
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