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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2020 7:28:14 GMT -6
Sounds like the grape vine works pretty well. Do these people act like shooting deer during the youth hunt is acceptable and not something they should be ashamed of? The common perception seems to be that the DNR wants the deer dead, they have legally purchased a tag, what difference does it make whether it gets filled now or in a few weeks? Pretty much similar to the thinking of those who shoot deer for other hunters with a legal tag to fill. I wish some of these hunters would finally mature out of this thinking. Do you suppose they will get enough venison to not shoot as many during firearm season?
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2020 7:35:13 GMT -6
The common perception seems to be that the DNR wants the deer dead, they have legally purchased a tag, what difference does it make whether it gets filled now or in a few weeks? Pretty much similar to the thinking of those who shoot deer for other hunters with a legal tag to fill. I wish some of these hunters would finally mature out of this thinking. Do you suppose they will get enough venison to not shoot as many during firearm season?When the DNR tells you that each hunter in an area can shoot 8 deer (9 with the free landowner tag), I don't envision the rule stretchers going easy on the harvest. I really don't know if they'll slow down or not. I'd lean towards "no".
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Post by Freeborn on Oct 19, 2020 8:02:01 GMT -6
Sounds like the grape vine works pretty well. Do these people act like shooting deer during the youth hunt is acceptable and not something they should be ashamed of? The common perception seems to be that the DNR wants the deer dead, they have legally purchased a tag, what difference does it make whether it gets filled now or in a few weeks? Pretty much similar to the thinking of those who shoot deer for other hunters with a legal tag to fill. That's what I feared. Basically there is no management strategy/guidance so an attitude of kill whatever you want when you want prevails. I imagine there are hunters in the woods in August, as soon as horns harden. Almost impossible to perpetuate quality deer hunting with neighbors like this. I don't get the sense this is happening around me as the rifle season tradition is strong and during the early season there is a sea of corn around so its probably not worth it.
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Post by Satchmo on Oct 19, 2020 8:36:32 GMT -6
What it boils down to is that the abuses are being perpetrated by adults .... not the youth.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2020 8:39:04 GMT -6
The common perception seems to be that the DNR wants the deer dead, they have legally purchased a tag, what difference does it make whether it gets filled now or in a few weeks? Pretty much similar to the thinking of those who shoot deer for other hunters with a legal tag to fill. That's what I feared. Basically there is no management strategy/guidance so an attitude of kill whatever you want when you want prevails. I imagine there are hunters in the woods in August, as soon as horns harden. Almost impossible to perpetuate quality deer hunting with neighbors like this. I don't get the sense this is happening around me as the rifle season tradition is strong and during the early season there is a sea of corn around so its probably not worth it. Yep, assuming by quality you mean a reasonable number of bucks that aren't yearlings anyway. Fortunately for me, the stories/reports I heard on Saturday and Sunday didn't come from my immediate area. As far as corn goes, I don't know what your area looks like but the corn is largely harvested around here.
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Post by Satchmo on Oct 19, 2020 8:54:59 GMT -6
This whole situation just emphasizes the need for land that is as isolated as possible and free from many outside influences.
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Post by batman on Oct 19, 2020 9:19:21 GMT -6
This whole situation just emphasizes the need for land that is as isolated as possible and free from many outside influences. What? Next you will want better genetics. Where does it all end?
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Post by Satchmo on Oct 19, 2020 10:29:08 GMT -6
Batman, My search ended when I bought property that is isolated from outside pressure and DNR influence. I’ll take that over big racks any day!
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Post by benmnwi on Oct 19, 2020 11:06:53 GMT -6
The DNR follows up on poaching tips pretty well, especially if they are given specifics that can make their job easier.
That's pathetic if adults are killing deer during the youth seasons. There were tons of shots around my place the past few days with the youth hunt as well as the early antlerless season. I have no doubt that some big bucks get shot if they walked by the wrong "antlerless" hunter.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2020 12:09:47 GMT -6
I wish some of these hunters would finally mature out of this thinking. Do you suppose they will get enough venison to not shoot as many during firearm season?When the DNR tells you that each hunter in an area can shoot 8 deer (9 with the free landowner tag), I don't envision the rule stretchers going easy on the harvest. I really don't know if they'll slow down or not. I'd lean towards "no". Can they still shoot that many after going from 5 to 3 tags for intensive harvest? I though we complained enough about 7 or 8 tags that they changed it.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2020 12:12:10 GMT -6
The common perception seems to be that the DNR wants the deer dead, they have legally purchased a tag, what difference does it make whether it gets filled now or in a few weeks? Pretty much similar to the thinking of those who shoot deer for other hunters with a legal tag to fill. That's what I feared. Basically there is no management strategy/guidance so an attitude of kill whatever you want when you want prevails. I imagine there are hunters in the woods in August, as soon as horns harden. Almost impossible to perpetuate quality deer hunting with neighbors like this. I don't get the sense this is happening around me as the rifle season tradition is strong and during the early season there is a sea of corn around so its probably not worth it. I would say almost half of the corn is gone here. Nearly a full section west of me and 100-200 acres south of me is standing. There is not much deer sign on the adjacent wildlife area. The deer are on private land and in the corn.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 19, 2020 12:14:22 GMT -6
The DNR follows up on poaching tips pretty well, especially if they are given specifics that can make their job easier. That's pathetic if adults are killing deer during the youth seasons. There were tons of shots around my place the past few days with the youth hunt as well as the early antlerless season. I have no doubt that some big bucks get shot if they walked by the wrong "antlerless" hunter. I met a young warden last week on the nearby wildlife area. He is covering his station and two adjacent stations that are vacant. He was concerned about the area between Stu and I and the hunts this weekend.
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2020 12:15:22 GMT -6
When the DNR tells you that each hunter in an area can shoot 8 deer (9 with the free landowner tag), I don't envision the rule stretchers going easy on the harvest. I really don't know if they'll slow down or not. I'd lean towards "no". Can they still shoot that many after going from 5 to 3 tags for intensive harvest? I though we complained enough about 7 or 8 tags that they changed it. Hunters could have shot 5 (6 with free landowner tag) antlerless deer from last Thursday through yesterday. Now they can shoot 3 more in the remainder of the seasons (4 if they didn't fill their landowner tag already). Totals in this zone anywhere from 1 buck to 9 total deer...1 buck and 8 antlerless (including free landowner tag)
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Post by smsmith on Oct 19, 2020 12:20:32 GMT -6
The DNR follows up on poaching tips pretty well, especially if they are given specifics that can make their job easier. That's pathetic if adults are killing deer during the youth seasons. There were tons of shots around my place the past few days with the youth hunt as well as the early antlerless season. I have no doubt that some big bucks get shot if they walked by the wrong "antlerless" hunter. I met a young warden last week on the nearby wildlife area. He is covering his station and two adjacent stations that are vacant. He was concerned about the area between Stu and I and the hunts this weekend. If that's the young guy who is covering L.P. after the last female warden left (not sure if she left of her own accord or what the deal was) he seems like a decent enough guy. The last warden was pretty much worthless. Wouldn't respond to phone calls, wouldn't follow up (I know first hand, she was scheduled to give me a tag so I could possess a road or poacher killed buck I found and she never showed or called) with people. Would disappear for days at a time, etc. etc. etc. Somebody allegedly killing a few deer illegally, but having a legal tag on them is about impossible to deal with. Wardens have much better things to do than deal with that type of situation. Poaching is a huge issue in Todd, Morrison, and OT counties.
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Post by Catscratch on Oct 19, 2020 12:35:45 GMT -6
Wardens are few and far between here. Any rule set up that makes poaching less blatant is a rule set for failure. Venison has nothing to do with it. Guys here want to kill a big buck before the NR's show up and kill "their" deer in rifle season. Lots of resentment due to loosing hunting ground when KS opened up the boarders. Ethics goes out the window when someone feels justified. If a guy has to have a kid with him (so that he can shoot that big buck before the rest of us can get out there) then so be it.
Disclaimer - This is not how I operate or function, but certainly how many around here do it. The justified man is doing nothing wrong in his own mind... and he doesn't care what others think. Youth season has turned many people with some restraint into poachers.
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