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Post by biglakebass on Dec 7, 2020 12:10:33 GMT -6
^^^I was waiting for you to say something BLB. I know you've said before that your CO approved doing so. There's no way in hell I'd do it and hunt over it without getting something in writing from my CO like you've done. I would not do it without something in writing either. I have since lost that email from her, but dont plan to really plant corn again anyway.
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Post by benmnwi on Dec 7, 2020 12:40:02 GMT -6
Not according to my CO for our area. She said knocking it down or mowing it was fine. just cant manipulate the corn by moving it around. where it lands is where it stays. For a bit more clarity, I asked her about mowing shooting lanes. not flattening the entire field.
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Post by benmnwi on Dec 7, 2020 12:51:27 GMT -6
Not according to my CO for our area. She said knocking it down or mowing it was fine. just cant manipulate the corn by moving it around. where it lands is where it stays. For a bit more clarity, I asked her about mowing shooting lanes. not flattening the entire field. My CO said that it is illegal to hunt over corn that has been knocked down or mowed. I planted soybeans, corn, brassicas and pumpkins this year and right now only brassicas and soybeans remain. Each area is a little different though, so it might take some trial and error to figure out what works best on your land.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 7, 2020 12:58:42 GMT -6
Not according to my CO for our area. She said knocking it down or mowing it was fine. just cant manipulate the corn by moving it around. where it lands is where it stays. For a bit more clarity, I asked her about mowing shooting lanes. not flattening the entire field. My CO said that it is illegal to hunt over corn that has been knocked down or mowed. I planted soybeans, corn, brassicas and pumpkins this year and right now only brassicas and soybeans remain. Each area is a little different though, so it might take some trial and error to figure out what works best on your land. The problem is that the regs are left open to CO "interpretation". That shouldn't be the case. I've considered planting pumpkins before, but have been concerned about how easily they can be seen. If I planted some pumpkins in a foodplot, harvested a few for Halloween and left the rest for the deer to eat...that should be considered a "normal agricultural practice" in my mind. I imagine some COs would agree with me and some wouldn't. In the future, I plan to start making apple cider. If I take the pressings and dispose of them somewhere on my property, is that a normal agricultural practice? It would seem that way to me. Will a CO see it that way? I plan to get something in writing from the local CO before disposing of future pressings.
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Post by benmnwi on Dec 7, 2020 13:16:25 GMT -6
You can hunt over anything you plant as long as it is in it's natural state and not moved (at least this is what I've been told). You could certainly harvest some pumpkins for halloween and leave the rest for the deer since that's what we do and the wardens are in my neighborhood frequently. you just couldn't throw your used carved pumpkins right under a stand when you are done with them.
My kids picked a lot of pumpkins to put in the front yard this year. After halloween I just threw them inside my apple tree cages where deer couldn't get to them just to be 100% sure. I will probably do the same with apple pressings in the future. My neighbor was caught baiting last year and any warden walking on his land could clearly see my pumpkin patch. My pumpkin patch wasn't a problem at all, but my neighbor's pile of pumpkins in front of a stand was apparently viewed differently.
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Post by badbrad on Dec 7, 2020 13:18:59 GMT -6
Wisconsin Warden explained it to me this way. If you manipulate the crop in a non-typical Ag process (mowing, knocking down) it is baiting. If you were to harvest one row for a shooting lane that would be OK.
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Post by jbird on Dec 7, 2020 13:20:05 GMT -6
I think it depends...
Corn - deer LOVE corn here as it provides food and cover. Corn can be far more difficult to grow however. It also produces more "trash" to address the following year. But is should really like any stored N in the soil. Corn can be attacked at planting by turkey....they will walk the rows and pluck the seed just as it starts to germinate.
Beans - deer LOVE beans, but it lacks the cover aspect. To provides a forage and grain crop....maybe. I say maybe because I don't know your deer numbers and what other summertime food sources you have around. I can plant 1/2 acre plots of ag beans here and they make grain without any protection. But I have low deer numbers and LOTS of other ag around. Many others would have no chance with a small plot of beans without protection.
In either case - I would suggest being prepared to apply a fall overseeding of brassica and cereal grains as some insurance should the plot fail or be heavily browsed.
IF you plan on hunting over the plot...you need to understand your baiting laws IF you plan on adding shooting lanes in it (corn)...here in IN putting the grain on the ground is considered baiting and a no/no. So I would have to mow the lanes early (before the grain is produced) but would then try to plant some greens in those lanes.
I have also planted beans and corn together out of a plate planter....corn in one hopper and beans in the other. I set my pace and settings based on the corn as corn is far more critical in spacing and the like then beans. I planted 2 rows of corn and then 2 rows of beans to ensure everything got the light needed. Biggest issue is the fertilizer needs are so different.
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Post by smsmith on Dec 7, 2020 13:21:25 GMT -6
You can hunt over anything you plant as long as it is in it's natural state and not moved (at least this is what I've been told). You could certainly harvest some pumpkins for halloween and leave the rest for the deer since that's what we do and the wardens are in my neighborhood frequently. you just couldn't throw your used carved pumpkins right under a stand when you are done with them. My kids picked a lot of pumpkins to put in the front yard this year. After halloween I just threw them inside my apple tree cages where deer couldn't get to them just to be 100% sure. I will probably do the same with apple pressings in the future. My neighbor was caught baiting last year and any warden walking on his land could clearly see my pumpkin patch. My pumpkin patch wasn't a problem at all, but my neighbor's pile of pumpkins in front of a stand was apparently viewed differently. That makes rational sense to me as well, but it doesn't seem all COs are consistently rational. Animals not being able to access my future pressings as a food source is a waste IMO. I'd also like the added benefit of them shitting out seeds all over the woods so more and more apple seedlings show up. If I could legally dump the pressings in a specific location and then not hunt within "x" distance of them, that would be my preference.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Dec 7, 2020 13:39:34 GMT -6
I would lean beans, and then spread turnip or radish seed into the beans in August. That has worked for me. Small corn plots are tough, unless the farmer leaves the corn from a bigger parcel.
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Post by benmnwi on Dec 7, 2020 13:40:43 GMT -6
You can hunt over anything you plant as long as it is in it's natural state and not moved (at least this is what I've been told). You could certainly harvest some pumpkins for halloween and leave the rest for the deer since that's what we do and the wardens are in my neighborhood frequently. you just couldn't throw your used carved pumpkins right under a stand when you are done with them. My kids picked a lot of pumpkins to put in the front yard this year. After halloween I just threw them inside my apple tree cages where deer couldn't get to them just to be 100% sure. I will probably do the same with apple pressings in the future. My neighbor was caught baiting last year and any warden walking on his land could clearly see my pumpkin patch. My pumpkin patch wasn't a problem at all, but my neighbor's pile of pumpkins in front of a stand was apparently viewed differently. That makes rational sense to me as well, but it doesn't seem all COs are consistently rational. Animals not being able to access my future pressings as a food source is a waste IMO. I'd also like the added benefit of them shitting out seeds all over the woods so more and more apple seedlings show up. If I could legally dump the pressings in a specific location and then not hunt within "x" distance of them, that would be my preference. Good luck having them give you a clear "X" distance! I never thought about the benefits of having the critters eat all the pressings and seed and then crap them all over the landscape for some free apple tree plantings. That would be a much better use than just turning them into compost. I bet you would be fine if you threw them in a garden area that the deer and other critters also had access to.
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Post by nitro27 on Dec 7, 2020 15:56:30 GMT -6
I've had heated discussion with MN CO on whether mowing/flailing corn was legal. He said is was NOT, I showed him the law where is states common farming practice is allowed, corn in our area is commonly mowed/flailed to reduce residue size, so it can be incorporated into the ground. He walked away mad.
I'd plant beans easier to deal with the residue & CO's
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Post by smallchunk on Dec 7, 2020 17:21:38 GMT -6
I don´t have the goods to make corn worth it. I can plant it and grow it, but the next spring comes around and I am left with all of that residue. Dealing with the corn and a spring tooth drag just doesn´t work well with corn stocks, lol. I have done okay no-tilling beans into the corn, but that is still a pain too. I need a 4-wheeler flail mower to make it work (cue the SD boner).
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Post by kooch on Dec 7, 2020 17:59:32 GMT -6
You guys keep talking about pumpkins. Some guys say they suck. Some guys love them. I guess every area is different. I think I'll go for it next year just for grins. A double row right up the middle of my place.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 7, 2020 18:24:28 GMT -6
You guys keep talking about pumpkins. Some guys say they suck. Some guys love them. I guess every area is different. I think I'll go for it next year just for grins. A double row right up the middle of my place. Some say you need to split the pumpkins with an ax, which then becomes manipulation. I see very little use of pumpkins, but the deer did nibble at a bit of squash this year.
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Post by Sandbur on Dec 7, 2020 18:26:46 GMT -6
You can hunt over anything you plant as long as it is in it's natural state and not moved (at least this is what I've been told). You could certainly harvest some pumpkins for halloween and leave the rest for the deer since that's what we do and the wardens are in my neighborhood frequently. you just couldn't throw your used carved pumpkins right under a stand when you are done with them. My kids picked a lot of pumpkins to put in the front yard this year. After halloween I just threw them inside my apple tree cages where deer couldn't get to them just to be 100% sure. I will probably do the same with apple pressings in the future. My neighbor was caught baiting last year and any warden walking on his land could clearly see my pumpkin patch. My pumpkin patch wasn't a problem at all, but my neighbor's pile of pumpkins in front of a stand was apparently viewed differently. That makes rational sense to me as well, but it doesn't seem all COs are consistently rational. Animals not being able to access my future pressings as a food source is a waste IMO. I'd also like the added benefit of them shitting out seeds all over the woods so more and more apple seedlings show up. If I could legally dump the pressings in a specific location and then not hunt within "x" distance of them, that would be my preference. My pressings get very little use by any critter . I just dump them where we dump vegetable waste and it is far from where we hunt. Not really an attractant at all.
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