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Post by Foggy on Jul 11, 2022 18:38:53 GMT -6
You should have a whole bunch of food this year foggy. I've been noticing that hazelnuts and oaks are loaded. Not sure what, if anything that means...other than a bunch of well-fed critters. In early May my deer looked horrible.....really thin and ribs sticking out. Now, I got some nice fat deer that seem very healthy. Eat'n good in the Neighborhood. Hazel nuts are fantastic this year. I don't usually get allot of acorns.....but I have not spent time looking at them either.
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Post by smsmith on Jul 11, 2022 19:38:56 GMT -6
I've been trying to figure out when to plant the neighbor's brassica plots. I was thinking about spraying them again early this week and then seed/cultipack on Thursday. Seems the rain chances for Thurs/Fri are disappearing.
I'm not sure if the heavy dews we get this time of year will be enough to get brassicas to germinate. Go ahead and seed, or wait another week and see if rain chances improve?
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 11, 2022 19:42:08 GMT -6
I cleared the shooting lane and two cross row trails in my corn plot today. During the process I saw and heard some corn move and thought it was one of the older fawns I had seen.
During the process, I made about a 245 degree circle of a spot of corn that was about 100 feet across. When I headed back into the corn, a very nice buck jumped up. As wide as the ears at present.
I am always surprised how they will hold in such a tiny spot with me working on three sides of him.
That was him that moved earlier, same location, but he kept his head and body down.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 11, 2022 19:43:06 GMT -6
I've been trying to figure out when to plant the neighbor's brassica plots. I was thinking about spraying them again early this week and then seed/cultipack on Thursday. Seems the rain chances for Thurs/Fri are disappearing. I'm not sure if the heavy dews we get this time of year will be enough to get brassicas to germinate. Go ahead and seed, or wait another week and see if rain chances improve? I have a blank spot in my corn plot and was thinking the same but I don’t know about carry over.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 11, 2022 19:54:31 GMT -6
I've been trying to figure out when to plant the neighbor's brassica plots. I was thinking about spraying them again early this week and then seed/cultipack on Thursday. Seems the rain chances for Thurs/Fri are disappearing. I'm not sure if the heavy dews we get this time of year will be enough to get brassicas to germinate. Go ahead and seed, or wait another week and see if rain chances improve? I have a blank spot in my corn plot and was thinking the same but I don’t know about carry over. I got nearly 1.5" yesterday....and had a good chance of some more rain today (I did get a few sprinkles). I figured I would rather take advantage and get things to germinate now.....and rely on the thatch I have to keep things damp. (I hope). I could use more thatch.....but have a fair amount keeping that soil pretty wet. Kinda surprising given my sand. I do have a tough month of sledding going forward. But if we can catch a decent rain or two between now and Sept 1 I think my stuff will do fine. Ive got about 4 or 5 bucks that show some promise.....most looking like these below that show up most evenings. I'm certain most of them are living on my property. I suppose there are 30 deer or more that visit my land most days .....or something like that. These are not "great" bucks....but they could be "decent" by fall?
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 11, 2022 20:26:52 GMT -6
I have a blank spot in my corn plot and was thinking the same but I don’t know about carry over. I got nearly 1.5" yesterday....and had a good chance of some more rain today (I did get a few sprinkles). I figured I would rather take advantage and get things to germinate now.....and rely on the thatch I have to keep things damp. (I hope). I could use more thatch.....but have a fair amount keeping that soil pretty wet. Kinda surprising given my sand. I do have a tough month of sledding going forward. But if we can catch a decent rain or two between now and Sept 1 I think my stuff will do fine. Ive got about 4 or 5 bucks that show some promise.....most looking like these below that show up most evenings. I'm certain most of them are living on my property. I suppose there are 30 deer or more that visit my land most days .....or something like that. These are not "great" bucks....but they could be "decent" by fall? I hope it translates to more success for your party this fall!
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 12, 2022 4:04:38 GMT -6
I have a blank spot in my corn plot and was thinking the same but I don’t know about carry over. I got nearly 1.5" yesterday....and had a good chance of some more rain today (I did get a few sprinkles). I figured I would rather take advantage and get things to germinate now.....and rely on the thatch I have to keep things damp. (I hope). I could use more thatch.....but have a fair amount keeping that soil pretty wet. Kinda surprising given my sand. I do have a tough month of sledding going forward. But if we can catch a decent rain or two between now and Sept 1 I think my stuff will do fine. Ive got about 4 or 5 bucks that show some promise.....most looking like these below that show up most evenings. I'm certain most of them are living on my property. I suppose there are 30 deer or more that visit my land most days .....or something like that. These are not "great" bucks....but they could be "decent" by fall? Those are nice deer, especially in the northwoods and after the winter/late spring we had. There is nothing wrong with shooting one if a person is so inclined.
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Post by Tooln on Jul 12, 2022 6:30:01 GMT -6
Planted 6 acres of brassica and annual clover mix today.....aslo a few old sugar beets and some AW Peas to use up some seeds. Had over 1 1/4" of rain in my gage....and it was a perfect day to plant. I was so happy with the previous plantings of clover and various beans and such (summer release) that were THRIVING in my plots. Better than anticipated. I was concerned about drilling into thick clover......but that worked like a charm. Whether the brassica comes through where the clover is heavy may be another event.....but I got the seed in the ground at the right depth. The drill worked flawlessly all day. That Tar River SAYA is a pretty good product IMO. I've now planted nearly 30 acres with it.....and it's done all that I can expect from it. At one time I thought the rolling basket was gonna be an issue in heavy cover......but it's been stellar. Highly recommend this drill if your looking for a relatively low cost no-till drill. I'd buy mine again in a heartbeat. Here are some pics from today.....in no particular order. I may comment on some if it looks interesting. (via edit). EDIT: OH....and I would buy the 5 foot wide drill over the 7 footer (that so many are buying). The weight per row is better and it is wide enough behind most compact tractors. No issues with lifting or pulling for me.....or any other tractor of 25 HP or more (IMO). This regenerative agriculture really grows on me. No more tillage or dragging and cultipacking seeds. HUGE time saver. So far my results have been stellar too. If you are considering this.....you should stop by to check out what I got going. This is just showing one method to get the opening coulter and the seed drop Coulter at a chosen depth. Measure, measure, measure. Adjust.. Measure again. I keep a level on the side of my drill to do the initial set up....then tweak the hydraulic top link to adjust the depth. I did NOT use the alternate seed drop tubes I have installed....as I adjusted the double disk openers to just skim the ground (1/4") and wanted those seeds to fall below the canopy of the current crops growing in my plots. Really nice clover, 3 kinds of beans, and some other things I am planting into. The remains of my rye is getting knocked over again. I installed a foam marker set up.....and it's useful at times to locate where you have been. a closeup of what I am drilling into. Beautiful stuff. Lots of deer using these plots now. Deer flies were horendus.....but the cab made them a non event.
OH.....and just as I was finishing with the drill.....I got a light rain shower. Perfect. Hope we get another dose tonight. . Great job Tom, it will be fun watching the progress of this plot.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 12, 2022 19:01:43 GMT -6
Picked up 9/10" at my home and about 1/2" at Deertopia tonight. Yowsir! - Perfect for my brasica. We had some hail here....pea to marble size....glad it was no bigger. Rained cats and dogs for a bit.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 13, 2022 3:49:49 GMT -6
Picked up 9/10" at my home and about 1/2" at Deertopia tonight. Yowsir! - Perfect for my brasica. We had some hail here....pea to marble size....glad it was no bigger. Rained cats and dogs for a bit. We had a good rainfall in the evening. Things are looking pretty good around here. Crops are just a bit behind. I did see some corn tasseling about 35 miles to the south.
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Post by smsmith on Jul 14, 2022 10:40:42 GMT -6
I've been trying to figure out when to plant the neighbor's brassica plots. I was thinking about spraying them again early this week and then seed/cultipack on Thursday. Seems the rain chances for Thurs/Fri are disappearing. I'm not sure if the heavy dews we get this time of year will be enough to get brassicas to germinate. Go ahead and seed, or wait another week and see if rain chances improve? Well, the forecast is saying a chance of rain tonight. I decided I'd re-spray a strip on the neighbor's and my crick bottom plot, then seed them this afternoon. That'll probably make sure it doesn't rain tonight I'm not going to roll the dice on the neighbor's acreish plot today. There's not much duff there and it gets sun pretty much from sun up to sun down. That plot would benefit from a light disking, then seed, then cultipack. Oh well... Got the neighbor's and my crick plot seeded. I used the cultipacker behind the Ranger on the neighbor's plot (can't easily get the 'packer to my crick plot). Man, that sure made it easy compared to the atv. Sat in air conditioned comfort and the Ranger didn't even know the cultipacker was back there. The atv is grunting when I use it to pull the cultipacker up hills.
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Post by Freeborn on Jul 14, 2022 17:07:55 GMT -6
$85 / shipped for this mix currently. I bought for less last fall. Put down 40 lbs / acre with a drill. Variety below. This is the mix touted by Grant Woods at growing deer. They also have a fall release crop which is heavier on brassica. I do have my rye for next year.....not sure what I will do for clover and brassicas. Lots of folks going this direction. Go to green cover crop website to see the mixes they offer.....or create your own blends. Pretty slick company......and they are doing a thing with Grant Woods. Sharp owners here. Mix Info+ Ingredients Laredo Forage Soybeans, Cowpeas (Iron & Clay), Mung Beans, Balady Berseem Clover, Grain sorghum, Smart Radish, Trophy Rapeseed, Black Oil Sunflower, Mancan Buckwheat Planting Instructions Summer Release can be broadcast into areas with minimal plant competition such as a new plot or one where a seedbed has recently been prepared. Broadcasting just before a rain significantly increases seed survival and germination rates. With any crop, the best stands usually result from planting with a no till drill. If there’s adequate soil moisture simply planting the Summer Release blend 1/4” to 1/2” deep produces great results. Timing Seeding Rate Plant 40 pounds per acre when seeding with a no-till drill or other planting implement and 60+ pounds per acre when broadcasting. Drove to AL Seed today and picked up a couple of things including their seed and cover crop catalogs. Here is the link to the cover crop catalog, Foggy take a look at page 4 (Summermax CC6) looks very similar to your summer release and is less than 1/2 the cost ($1.06-$1.13) per pound. You can also save the shipping by picking it up. I'm not sure if this would work for you but they have a variety of pre-mixed blends. If you need someone to pick it up let me know as I go to AL often. issuu.com/alseed5/docs/2022_cover_crops_catalog_web?fr=sOWI0ZTQyMjc1NjY
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Post by Foggy on Jul 14, 2022 21:04:44 GMT -6
I wrote this on another site.....but wanted to ask advice here too. This has been a great adventure for me. . in the two or three years prior to last summer. Damn Pigweed was foiling every attempt at growing my tillage plots. I always thought tillage was what it took to be a "good farmer". Learned the hard way it ain't necessarily so. I spent many hours reading everything I could, and watched many hours of video, and more.....on no till and regenerative farming practices and committed myself to giving it a try last August. After a drought of a summer.....I got my drill....nuked everything....applied Libery herbicides where needed, and planted 100 lbs of cereal rye and 34 lbs of a ten seed mix into my land. The very day I finished seeding into the dry dirt.....it rained......and then rained some more and it was almost like unreal weather since then. Lucky.....and timely. I'm now nearly a year later......into mid July after a great winter rye and clover spring and early summer growth. No signs of pigweed in my plots yet.....other than about 3 plants in random areas. (knock on wood) Weather has been good for growing things. I rolled my rye a little early....but with rain in the forcast....I wanted to fill out my plots with beneficial brasica seeds and keep the pigweed "crowded out" with better things. I just drilled a GCC "fall release" crop into six acres and a similar brasica "home brew" into another 3 acres. With the recent rains.....I'm sure these seeds will take hold. I have a decent stand of red and white clover developing throughout these plots as well as some various beans, buckwheat and other seeds from the GCC "summer release" which I planted in early June. I feel I do not have a long enough growing season to plant both the summer release and the fall release type crops. That was a bit of a expensive mistake on my part.....but if it may have prevented pig weed from growing this year.....then so be it. Next year I believe I will let my winter rye go until mid July (or just before it gets ripe - whichever comes first) before terminating with my crimper or flail mower (both work well) and planting my fall Brassica mix. I plan to either drill or broadcast 100 lbs / acre of rye into my plots (ten acres) this fall.....and have 1000 lbs of bagged Elbon rye sitting in my shed and ready to go. No more bin run seed for me! Here is my dillenmna: I don't know if I dare to drive though a good stand of turnips, collards, radish, and rape to drill that rye into the plots?? But.....I have had very poor success in broadcasting any grains (or other seeds for that matter) into my sandy soils without some tillage or at least cultipacking. Maybe having all that rye mulch will provide what is needed to broadcast tha newt rye??? Dunno. I'm inclined to try some of each this year (broadcasting and drilling) and learn from my efforts for next year. I do feel that the rye is an intregal part of my ability to control the pigweeds. And I plan to focus on that rye above all other efforts. I would even consider drilling the rye into my land in spring....but I dont get back to MN (from AZ) until Mid-May each year......and that Rye is the first thing my deer are on when the snow is gone.....and it's already providing some level of weed control and nutrition to some very hungry deer, when I get back to MN. (according to my cell cameras). Advice, experience, or thoughts about drilling or broadcasting cereal rye this fall are much appreciated.
BTW.....that Tar River Drill I bought has provided more satisfaction to me than any other implement I have owned....and I own a few.. Maybe my views could change....but I do not think so. I suppose I could say that about other brand of a 3 point drill too......the Tar River Saya 505 just became the first available at an affordable price for me. I got 30 acres of use so far....and it's been stellar. Thanks for any advice.
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Post by Foggy on Jul 14, 2022 21:19:57 GMT -6
$85 / shipped for this mix currently. I bought for less last fall. Put down 40 lbs / acre with a drill. Variety below. This is the mix touted by Grant Woods at growing deer. They also have a fall release crop which is heavier on brassica. I do have my rye for next year.....not sure what I will do for clover and brassicas. Lots of folks going this direction. Go to green cover crop website to see the mixes they offer.....or create your own blends. Pretty slick company......and they are doing a thing with Grant Woods. Sharp owners here. Mix Info+ Ingredients Laredo Forage Soybeans, Cowpeas (Iron & Clay), Mung Beans, Balady Berseem Clover, Grain sorghum, Smart Radish, Trophy Rapeseed, Black Oil Sunflower, Mancan Buckwheat Planting Instructions Summer Release can be broadcast into areas with minimal plant competition such as a new plot or one where a seedbed has recently been prepared. Broadcasting just before a rain significantly increases seed survival and germination rates. With any crop, the best stands usually result from planting with a no till drill. If there’s adequate soil moisture simply planting the Summer Release blend 1/4” to 1/2” deep produces great results. Timing Seeding Rate Plant 40 pounds per acre when seeding with a no-till drill or other planting implement and 60+ pounds per acre when broadcasting. Drove to AL Seed today and picked up a couple of things including their seed and cover crop catalogs. Here is the link to the cover crop catalog, Foggy take a look at page 4 (Summermax CC6) looks very similar to your summer release and is less than 1/2 the cost ($1.06-$1.13) per pound. You can also save the shipping by picking it up. I'm not sure if this would work for you but they have a variety of pre-mixed blends. If you need someone to pick it up let me know as I go to AL often. issuu.com/alseed5/docs/2022_cover_crops_catalog_web?fr=sOWI0ZTQyMjc1NjYI dont think I will do any more "summer release" crops. It's just too short of a growing season at my latittude. Perhaps it was "worth it" this year as I did get some things to grow which helped to crowd out any potential pig weed issues......but I ended up terminating my rye a bit early in order to give those crops a chance to grow. Had I not planted summer release.....my rye would have made it alive until now.....at which time I could terminate the rye and plant my "fall brassica" mix. (thus foregoing any summer crops). I guess I just did not know how long to expect the rye to last into the summer when I planted it last August. I like some of their mixes and the prices are pretty good. But at first glance one thing I note is that they do include some Rye Grass and other grasses in their mixes. That really serves to get their cost down. At this time I have been trying to keep my grasses separate from my legumes and brassica seeds. May need to read some more......... Thanks for the offer to pick some up.....I may take you up on that. I always liked AL Seed products.....and used to visit their store when travels took me in that direction. Good folks.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 15, 2022 5:22:37 GMT -6
I wrote this on another site.....but wanted to ask advice here too. This has been a great adventure for me. . in the two or three years prior to last summer. Damn Pigweed was foiling every attempt at growing my tillage plots. I always thought tillage was what it took to be a "good farmer". Learned the hard way it ain't necessarily so. I spent many hours reading everything I could, and watched many hours of video, and more.....on no till and regenerative farming practices and committed myself to giving it a try last August. After a drought of a summer.....I got my drill....nuked everything....applied Libery herbicides where needed, and planted 100 lbs of cereal rye and 34 lbs of a ten seed mix into my land. The very day I finished seeding into the dry dirt.....it rained......and then rained some more and it was almost like unreal weather since then. Lucky.....and timely. I'm now nearly a year later......into mid July after a great winter rye and clover spring and early summer growth. No signs of pigweed in my plots yet.....other than about 3 plants in random areas. (knock on wood) Weather has been good for growing things. I rolled my rye a little early....but with rain in the forcast....I wanted to fill out my plots with beneficial brasica seeds and keep the pigweed "crowded out" with better things. I just drilled a GCC "fall release" crop into six acres and a similar brasica "home brew" into another 3 acres. With the recent rains.....I'm sure these seeds will take hold. I have a decent stand of red and white clover developing throughout these plots as well as some various beans, buckwheat and other seeds from the GCC "summer release" which I planted in early June. I feel I do not have a long enough growing season to plant both the summer release and the fall release type crops. That was a bit of a expensive mistake on my part.....but if it may have prevented pig weed from growing this year.....then so be it. Next year I believe I will let my winter rye go until mid July (or just before it gets ripe - whichever comes first) before terminating with my crimper or flail mower (both work well) and planting my fall Brassica mix. I plan to either drill or broadcast 100 lbs / acre of rye into my plots (ten acres) this fall.....and have 1000 lbs of bagged Elbon rye sitting in my shed and ready to go. No more bin run seed for me! Here is my dillenmna: I don't know if I dare to drive though a good stand of turnips, collards, radish, and rape to drill that rye into the plots?? But.....I have had very poor success in broadcasting any grains (or other seeds for that matter) into my sandy soils without some tillage or at least cultipacking. Maybe having all that rye mulch will provide what is needed to broadcast tha newt rye??? Dunno. I'm inclined to try some of each this year (broadcasting and drilling) and learn from my efforts for next year. I do feel that the rye is an intregal part of my ability to control the pigweeds. And I plan to focus on that rye above all other efforts. I would even consider drilling the rye into my land in spring....but I dont get back to MN (from AZ) until Mid-May each year......and that Rye is the first thing my deer are on when the snow is gone.....and it's already providing some level of weed control and nutrition to some very hungry deer, when I get back to MN. (according to my cell cameras). Advice, experience, or thoughts about drilling or broadcasting cereal rye this fall are much appreciated.
BTW.....that Tar River Drill I bought has provided more satisfaction to me than any other implement I have owned....and I own a few.. Maybe my views could change....but I do not think so. I suppose I could say that about other brand of a 3 point drill too......the Tar River Saya 505 just became the first available at an affordable price for me. I got 30 acres of use so far....and it's been stellar. Thanks for any advice. . You have more experience in these things than me, but just some of my thoughts. Agreed, we don’t have a long enough growing season for all of those crops. We need to be a bit skeptical of what these southern experts recommend. Even what works for where I live , probably won’t work for you. I am not a fan of rye grass. However it has been ok in those tiny woods plots up north and I have seen deer use it in the spring. Our nephew lives just a few miles East of your land and he said they had 2.5 inches of rain since Sunday. Your crops should do great!
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