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Post by biglakebass on Nov 22, 2017 19:46:16 GMT -6
Fuck. I have nothing else to say.
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Post by mnfish on Nov 22, 2017 20:06:34 GMT -6
Where it started is irrelevant at this point. Its out! State agencies, irresponsible individuals, wild spontaneous, or any other hypotheses. Makes no difference. What we need to do as a state is get on top of this disease spreading. It will never be stopped it can only be contained for a finite amount of time
First, contanminment. Improve the captive moving system. Private and public
Eradicate with extream prejudice every adult whitetail within a 10 mile radius where it is found. Point restrictions removed. Feeding bans in place. Zero half measures!!!
Second, prevention. continue testing statewide
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Post by smsmith on Nov 22, 2017 20:15:53 GMT -6
I'm curious, maybe Art would know.... All deer and elk that are killed or die on deer farms are tested (supposedly) for CWD. How about elk and deer that are raised on a farm, then sold to a hunting preserve/whatever you want to call them? I see numerous bull elk carcasses going down the road on the way to the processor every fall. They are entire carcasses, not caped out. The elk farm on the other side of the road has to bring in at least some (I think most) of these bulls from other farms (pretty sure they come from Sauk Centre). Are you telling me the processor in Swanville is testing them? I asked the owner of the farm if he had deer over there too. He said he does, that a buddy "brings some in". The deer are there as a side "hunt" for the rich city dudes who come out to kill elk. Think those deer are getting tested?
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Post by mnfish on Nov 22, 2017 20:22:41 GMT -6
Every cervid 1 year or older, once its harvested, is required to have a cwd test performed. 100%. There is no difference in the regulation between a cervid farm or preserve
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Post by sd51555 on Nov 22, 2017 20:23:50 GMT -6
This stuff could easily dovetail into a mess for all of us if we aren't careful. 10 deer on a one acre food plot from September to December is 6400 deer per square mile. I know it's only one great acre, but if we're talking proximity of one deer to the next as the threat, we're all guilty.
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Post by biglakebass on Nov 22, 2017 20:25:26 GMT -6
No. That food plot attracted the only 10 deer in that sq mile. Not too concerned there.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 22, 2017 20:27:52 GMT -6
Every cervid 1 year or older, once its harvested, is required to have a cwd test performed. 100%. There is no difference in the regulation between a cervid farm or preserve So then you're telling me the processor in Swanville is doing the required testing...or is at least removing the tissue necessary for testing. I find that hard to believe, but without contrary first hand knowledge I'll accept it as fact.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 22, 2017 20:28:31 GMT -6
10 deer on an acre foodplot....lol Not around here
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Post by mnfish on Nov 22, 2017 20:30:53 GMT -6
I'm curious, maybe Art would know.... All deer and elk that are killed or die on deer farms are tested (supposedly) for CWD. How about elk and deer that are raised on a farm, then sold to a hunting preserve/whatever you want to call them? I see numerous bull elk carcasses going down the road on the way to the processor every fall. They are entire carcasses, not caped out. The elk farm on the other side of the road has to bring in at least some (I think most) of these bulls from other farms (pretty sure they come from Sauk Centre). Are you telling me the processor in Swanville is testing them? I asked the owner of the farm if he had deer over there too. He said he does, that a buddy "brings some in". The deer are there as a side "hunt" for the rich city dudes who come out to kill elk. Think those deer are getting tested?If he's not testing or bringing in non regulated animals he's breaking the law and putting all whitetails at risk. This is the kind of crap that needs to stop if there is any hope of containing this disease!!!
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Post by sd51555 on Nov 22, 2017 20:33:07 GMT -6
10 deer on an acre foodplot....lol Not around here Shit, when I had 8 deer in the Todd plot (1/10th of an acre) that equated to over 53,000 DPSM. Butts to nuts feeding that night.
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Post by mnfish on Nov 22, 2017 20:35:27 GMT -6
Every cervid 1 year or older, once its harvested, is required to have a cwd test performed. 100%. There is no difference in the regulation between a cervid farm or preserve So then you're telling me the processor in Swanville is doing the required testing...or is at least removing the tissue necessary for testing. I find that hard to believe, but without contrary first hand knowledge I'll accept it as fact. It's not the processor's responsibility to pull the test sample. It's the cervid farmers responsibility. And I, like you, believe some cervid farmers are "cutting corners" in a lot of aspects, i.e. fence construction, herd counting, testing, and such. This needs to STOP!
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Post by smsmith on Nov 22, 2017 20:38:25 GMT -6
I'm curious, maybe Art would know.... All deer and elk that are killed or die on deer farms are tested (supposedly) for CWD. How about elk and deer that are raised on a farm, then sold to a hunting preserve/whatever you want to call them? I see numerous bull elk carcasses going down the road on the way to the processor every fall. They are entire carcasses, not caped out. The elk farm on the other side of the road has to bring in at least some (I think most) of these bulls from other farms (pretty sure they come from Sauk Centre). Are you telling me the processor in Swanville is testing them? I asked the owner of the farm if he had deer over there too. He said he does, that a buddy "brings some in". The deer are there as a side "hunt" for the rich city dudes who come out to kill elk. Think those deer are getting tested?If he's not testing or bringing in non regulated animals he's breaking the law and putting all whitetails at risk. This is the kind of crap that needs to stop if there is any hope of containing this disease!!! I have zero idea what he is or isn't doing over there. For all I know, he's running an immaculately clean operation. I'd be fucking amazed if he is...but I have zero idea. That's kind of my point though. There are deer and elk farms/preserves all over. Many of them tiny operations with just a couple of deer. When I look at the homes that go along with those operations, I don't find it difficult to believe that the folks raising those critters may be doing things less than to the letter of the law.
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Post by smsmith on Nov 22, 2017 20:39:38 GMT -6
So then you're telling me the processor in Swanville is doing the required testing...or is at least removing the tissue necessary for testing. I find that hard to believe, but without contrary first hand knowledge I'll accept it as fact. It's not the processor's responsibility to pull the test sample. It's the cervid farmers responsibility. And I, like you, believe some cervid farmers are "cutting corners" in a lot of aspects, i.e. fence construction, herd counting, testing, and such. This needs to STOP! Can that sample be pulled and the carcass remain complete so the "trophy" can be mounted?
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Post by kl9 on Nov 22, 2017 20:40:45 GMT -6
Where it started is irrelevant at this point. Its out! State agencies, irresponsible individuals, wild spontaneous, or any other hypotheses. Makes no difference. What we need to do as a state is get on top of this disease spreading. It will never be stopped it can only be contained for a finite amount of time First, contanminment. Improve the captive moving system. Private and public Eradicate with extream prejudice every adult whitetail within a 10 mile radius where it is found. Point restrictions removed. Feeding bans in place. Zero half measures!!! Second, prevention. continue testing statewide Don't you learn anything from the past? Apparently not
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Post by mnfish on Nov 22, 2017 20:46:34 GMT -6
Where it started is irrelevant at this point. Its out! State agencies, irresponsible individuals, wild spontaneous, or any other hypotheses. Makes no difference. What we need to do as a state is get on top of this disease spreading. It will never be stopped it can only be contained for a finite amount of time First, contanminment. Improve the captive moving system. Private and public Eradicate with extream prejudice every adult whitetail within a 10 mile radius where it is found. Point restrictions removed. Feeding bans in place. Zero half measures!!! Second, prevention. continue testing statewide Don't you learn anything from the past? Apparently not Not sure what you mean. Can you explain?
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