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Post by badbrad on Feb 13, 2018 8:16:53 GMT -6
If we are truly not killing more deer now than before xbows were not allowed then we could leave it alone. If we are killing more deer then I support shortening the season. The only problem I have is with this new tagging system I believe we are not counting the deer killed the same way as before so it is hard to compare numbers. I know deer are getting killed and not called in both intentionally and by accident. So it is difficult for me to say for sure we are not killing more deer even if the DNR says we are not. Hard to say.
One guy up the road shot 5 deer 3 bucks and only used two tags. And he got busted. It is happening out there.
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Post by Freeborn on Feb 13, 2018 8:18:00 GMT -6
Competition for a resource can be solved by limiting the tools allowed. I would not have a problem if the resource was threatened. The reality is that the total buck kill for crossbow and vertical bow kill has remained steady since crossbow season came into play. The only difference is that there has been a shift of 13,000 from vertical bow to crossbow. This is why there was more crossbow buck killed than vertical buck killed. Part of the increased buck kill is the fact that crossbow has a higher percentage of clean kills so the recovery rate is much higher which correlates to a higher registered buck kill for crossbows. I would bet that if bow hunters were forced to register a buck that they knew they hit but did not recover the numbers would be different. Isn't it a hunters responsibility to use the most efficient weapon for a quick clean kill. Bottom line is that the vertical bow hunters want the rut for themselves. If this is the case why not just have any choice of weapon all season? Rifle would be the choice.
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 13, 2018 8:19:08 GMT -6
You mean Mr. old WBH association president and then got caught illegally baiting Ron Kulas? He is a douche bag. His son is as well. Yep
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Post by badbrad on Feb 13, 2018 8:19:18 GMT -6
You can only look at the buck numbers as available antlerless tag numbers have increased a lot in the last several years. I don't know tom. More tags released or not I believe we are killing more deer (tagged and not tagged) than we were before. If they cut tags and left the x bow season alone I can go with that. Liberal doe tags and x bows for 4+ months is bad enough but now we have this shit tagging system. I'm concerned.
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Post by badbrad on Feb 13, 2018 8:21:55 GMT -6
Another guy near my place is driving his polaris Ranger at dusk around his land with his xbow ready to go. He pulls up on deer and shoots them. It just pisses me off how we have lost respect for the game we pursue.
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 13, 2018 8:23:08 GMT -6
I would not have a problem if the resource was threatened. The reality is that the total buck kill for crossbow and vertical bow kill has remained steady since crossbow season came into play. The only difference is that there has been a shift of 13,000 from vertical bow to crossbow. This is why there was more crossbow buck killed than vertical buck killed. Part of the increased buck kill is the fact that crossbow has a higher percentage of clean kills so the recovery rate is much higher which correlates to a higher registered buck kill for crossbows. I would bet that if bow hunters were forced to register a buck that they knew they hit but did not recover the numbers would be different. Isn't it a hunters responsibility to use the most efficient weapon for a quick clean kill. Bottom line is that the vertical bow hunters want the rut for themselves. If this is the case why not just have any choice of weapon all season? Rifle would be the choice. There are states that do that but put a quota on the amount of kill tags that they issue. Wisconsin does it with their bear and turkey seasons.
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 13, 2018 8:26:05 GMT -6
Another guy near my place is driving his polaris Ranger at dusk around his land with his xbow ready to go. He pulls up on deer and shoots them. It just pisses me off how we have lost respect for the game we pursue. That is an enforcement problem. If he has a loaded crossbow on motor vehicle he is in violation. Turn his ass in.
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Post by badbrad on Feb 13, 2018 8:27:02 GMT -6
Another guy near my place is driving his polaris Ranger at dusk around his land with his xbow ready to go. He pulls up on deer and shoots them. It just pisses me off how we have lost respect for the game we pursue. That is an enforcement problem. If he has a loaded crossbow on motor vehicle he is in violation. Turn his ass in. Oh we have. They just have not caught him. Then the fucker caught on he was being watched and cooled it down for awhile and then picked it back up. He got smart.
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Post by batman on Feb 13, 2018 8:38:03 GMT -6
I would not have a problem if the resource was threatened. The reality is that the total buck kill for crossbow and vertical bow kill has remained steady since crossbow season came into play. The only difference is that there has been a shift of 13,000 from vertical bow to crossbow. This is why there was more crossbow buck killed than vertical buck killed. Part of the increased buck kill is the fact that crossbow has a higher percentage of clean kills so the recovery rate is much higher which correlates to a higher registered buck kill for crossbows. I would bet that if bow hunters were forced to register a buck that they knew they hit but did not recover the numbers would be different. Isn't it a hunters responsibility to use the most efficient weapon for a quick clean kill. Bottom line is that the vertical bow hunters want the rut for themselves. Is this true there have not been more deer killed at all since x bows have come into play? Not when you step back and look at all the numbers. Your total deer harvest is down around 25% in the last decade, and the archery harvest is flat because more of the harvest is in the bow season. Crossbows are easier. Period. The crossbow buck harvest in WI is almost 50% higher than the vertical or firearm success rate. And technology is on the rise. Claiming the crossbow has changed nothing is head in the sand.
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Post by kl9 on Feb 13, 2018 8:38:10 GMT -6
I too believe a quota system would solve a lot of these issues, which is important because in the end hunters need to be on the same page.
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Post by batman on Feb 13, 2018 8:41:21 GMT -6
I too believe a quota system would solve a lot of these issues, which is important because in the end hunters need to be on the same page. Then rifle season can start mid August.
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Post by kl9 on Feb 13, 2018 8:43:14 GMT -6
I too believe a quota system would solve a lot of these issues, which is important because in the end hunters need to be on the same page. Then rifle season can start mid August. If you limit the number of tags for each sex to fit a stated population/age structure goal you probably could do that. Although I certainly wouldn’t be for it.
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Post by badbrad on Feb 13, 2018 8:46:10 GMT -6
I got the perfect solution but it will never happen anymore. Go back to hunters choice system. Release hunters choice tags based on the number of deer they want killed. Allow the xbows to be used the same amount of time as verticals.
Then the guys that get hunters choice let them decide how bad they want to shoot a deer. Most guys won't shoot that doe if it means they can't shoot a buck. If a doe walks by and it means shooting that deer burns their buck tag we will let a lot deer go. If a guy just wants meat and doesn't see a lot of deer then he can shoot that doe and then he is done. It was the perfect system and they broke the system. It keeps everyone happy.
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Post by batman on Feb 13, 2018 8:47:03 GMT -6
Then rifle season can start mid August. If you limit the number of tags for each sex to fit a stated population/age structure goal you probably could do that. Although I certainly wouldn’t be for it. If the state can get the public to manage for state decided 'goals' you can kiss your 2.5 year old bucks good bye. You don't want crossbows in archery season on your neighbors farms. They will kill more of your young bucks. Wisconsin data supports thats line of thinking.
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Post by batman on Feb 13, 2018 8:47:59 GMT -6
I got the perfect solution but it will never happen anymore. Go back to hunters choice system. Release hunters choice tags based on the number of deer they want killed. Allow the xbows to be used the same amount of time as verticals. Then the guys that get hunters choice let them decide how bad they want to shoot a deer. Most guys won't shoot that doe if it means they can't shoot a buck. If a doe walks by and it means shooting that deer burns their buck tag we will let a lot deer go. If a guy just wants meat and doesn't see a lot of deer then he can shoot that doe and then he is done. It was the perfect system and they broke the system. It keeps everyone happy. Ag auto forestry. They were not happy.
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