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Post by badbrad on Apr 10, 2018 8:26:13 GMT -6
Just found out I was on the Wausau news. I'm the ugly dude in the gray hoodie
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Post by terrifictom on Jan 4, 2019 12:15:57 GMT -6
Looks like the DNR has studied the use of crossbows and the actual number of deer killed in combined archery/crossbow season are going down. Just a shift in weapons being used. From what this DNR rep said don't look for any changes as the actual numbers don't show a need to shorten crossbow season. www.wbay.com/content/news/The-Crossbow-Impact-503760101.html
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Post by wiscwhip on Jan 4, 2019 12:25:49 GMT -6
Looks like the DNR has studied the use of crossbows and the actual number of deer killed in combined archery/crossbow season are going down. Just a shift in weapons being used. From what this DNR rep said don't look for any changes as the actual numbers don't show a need to shorten crossbow season. www.wbay.com/content/news/The-Crossbow-Impact-503760101.htmlAt least they are not recommending that it be expanded....
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Post by kooch on Jan 4, 2019 12:33:03 GMT -6
I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or not. But, if we opened bow season up to crossbows in MN, I'd for sure go buy one and hunt a couple days during bow season. As it is, I'll just admit, I'm too lazy to learn how to shoot a bow. As long as we keep the 1 buck a year limit, I don't see a problem. I've even got a scope on my muzzle loader now.
I'm a heathen.
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Post by badbrad on Jan 4, 2019 13:16:09 GMT -6
I'm not sure if I'm in the minority or not. But, if we opened bow season up to crossbows in MN, I'd for sure go buy one and hunt a couple days during bow season. As it is, I'll just admit, I'm too lazy to learn how to shoot a bow. As long as we keep the 1 buck a year limit, I don't see a problem. I've even got a scope on my muzzle loader now. I'm a heathen. I somewhat get why some MN hunters are not bowhunters. You get to hunt the rut with your gun. In Wisconsin, if you want to hunt the rut you have to hunt with a bow (the way it should be I might add). To me, sitting there waiting till gun season in Wisconsin is not an option for a true passionate hunter as you miss so much of the season and only get 9 days plus ML which most don't do.
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Post by badbrad on Jan 4, 2019 13:21:16 GMT -6
Looks like the DNR has studied the use of crossbows and the actual number of deer killed in combined archery/crossbow season are going down. Just a shift in weapons being used. From what this DNR rep said don't look for any changes as the actual numbers don't show a need to shorten crossbow season. www.wbay.com/content/news/The-Crossbow-Impact-503760101.htmlThere was a very good point made at the hearing last year which I don't think I shared here. Perhaps any increase in kill isn't actually more deer being killed. Perhaps its just more cleanly killed and then RECOVERED deer with the xbow. How many more deer are wounded and left to rot in the woods never to be found that don't ever get tagged or counted with verticals. Its something to think about for sure.
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 4, 2019 13:33:43 GMT -6
One thing along those same lines is gun hunter converts who had never killed anything with an arrow. I've known several guys who were gun hunters that bought a crossbow right after inclusion so that they could hunt the rut. They had never killed anything with a bleeding method and were use to something with impact and major tissue damage. They shot deer with broadheads and didn't find them as they lacked tracking skills and also assumed if there wasn't a 2ft wide bloodtrail they hadn't made a killing shot. Little things that bowhunters have learned about such as; just because a deer walks off doesn't mean you didn't kill it (maybe it's just liver shot) weren't part of their knowledge or skill-set.
In my opinion a bowhunter who picks up a crossbow becomes more efficient, and a rifle hunter who picks up a crossbow becomes less efficient. No offense to anyone here, just observations on my part.
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Post by terrifictom on Jan 4, 2019 13:48:57 GMT -6
One thing along those same lines is gun hunter converts who had never killed anything with an arrow. I've known several guys who were gun hunters that bought a crossbow right after inclusion so that they could hunt the rut. They had never killed anything with a bleeding method and were use to something with impact and major tissue damage. They shot deer with broadheads and didn't find them as they lacked tracking skills and also assumed if there wasn't a 2ft wide bloodtrail they hadn't made a killing shot. Little things that bowhunters have learned about such as; just because a deer walks off doesn't mean you didn't kill it (maybe it's just liver shot) weren't part of their knowledge or skill-set. In my opinion a bowhunter who picks up a crossbow becomes more efficient, and a rifle hunter who picks up a crossbow becomes less efficient. No offense to anyone here, just observations on my part. I can agree with that, but just imagine with the largest group being gun hunters how many deer are wounded by guns and never recovered.
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 4, 2019 14:01:48 GMT -6
One thing along those same lines is gun hunter converts who had never killed anything with an arrow. I've known several guys who were gun hunters that bought a crossbow right after inclusion so that they could hunt the rut. They had never killed anything with a bleeding method and were use to something with impact and major tissue damage. They shot deer with broadheads and didn't find them as they lacked tracking skills and also assumed if there wasn't a 2ft wide bloodtrail they hadn't made a killing shot. Little things that bowhunters have learned about such as; just because a deer walks off doesn't mean you didn't kill it (maybe it's just liver shot) weren't part of their knowledge or skill-set. In my opinion a bowhunter who picks up a crossbow becomes more efficient, and a rifle hunter who picks up a crossbow becomes less efficient. No offense to anyone here, just observations on my part. I can agree with that, but just imagine with the largest group being gun hunters how many deer are wounded by guns and never recovered. Trust me... I know my fair share of slob gun hunters. I have a friend who is in his upper 60's and has hunted his whole life. A couple of years ago he shot at a doe in the feed field. It ran but the other two does (fawns) stayed so he shot one of them. It ran so he shot at the third one and it ran. Once the field was cleared he went to where they were standing to kick around and he looked up to see none of them had made it out of the field. They were all three piled up 100yds away. And this is from an experienced hunter, he just expected them to fall for some reason. A better example is my dad. He is a stone hold killer and never leaves a stone unturned when looking for something he shot. I've seen him look for 30 minutes for a dove he couldn't find.... then go home and get the dog to come back and look for it. He is also a guy who saves every heart and gizzard out of every dove, quail, turkey, and duck he shoots. A couple of years ago he bought a crossbow and shot a doe with it. Watched it run 30yds and then crash tail over head into Johnson Grass. He sat there for another 10 minutes goofing, then went to tag it. It was gone. He looked all night for it but never found it. He never went back out with his crossbow. It sickened him to loose that deer and he knows it's dead. He said things just don't die the same with a broadhead as they do with a bullet.
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Post by Sandbur on Jan 10, 2019 7:10:47 GMT -6
I can agree with that, but just imagine with the largest group being gun hunters how many deer are wounded by guns and never recovered. Trust me... I know my fair share of slob gun hunters. I have a friend who is in his upper 60's and has hunted his whole life. A couple of years ago he shot at a doe in the feed field. It ran but the other two does (fawns) stayed so he shot one of them. It ran so he shot at the third one and it ran. Once the field was cleared he went to where they were standing to kick around and he looked up to see none of them had made it out of the field. They were all three piled up 100yds away. And this is from an experienced hunter, he just expected them to fall for some reason. A better example is my dad. He is a stone hold killer and never leaves a stone unturned when looking for something he shot. I've seen him look for 30 minutes for a dove he couldn't find.... then go home and get the dog to come back and look for it. He is also a guy who saves every heart and gizzard out of every dove, quail, turkey, and duck he shoots. A couple of years ago he bought a crossbow and shot a doe with it. Watched it run 30yds and then crash tail over head into Johnson Grass. He sat there for another 10 minutes goofing, then went to tag it. It was gone. He looked all night for it but never found it. He never went back out with his crossbow. It sickened him to loose that deer and he knows it's dead. He said things just don't die the same with a broadhead as they do with a bullet. I have tremendous respect for your Dad.
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