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Post by Catscratch on Feb 25, 2018 21:37:25 GMT -6
I think what you will run into is BOE's having a hard time with the liability of "their" employees having weapons on campus, not another entity having weapons. Once a teacher is carrying, the board is legally responsible for any accidents or actions related to that employee and they will be open to lawsuits. If it's a State hired LEO then the board isn't responsible for them, the State or the police department is. I imagine district insurance has a lot to do with it.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 25, 2018 21:51:37 GMT -6
I think what you will run into is BOE's having a hard time with the liability of "their" employees having weapons on campus, not another entity having weapons. Once a teacher is carrying, the board is legally responsible for any accidents or actions related to that employee and they will be open to lawsuits. If it's a State hired LEO then the board isn't responsible for them, the State or the police department is. I imagine district insurance has a lot to do with it. The teachers/staff won't be carrying, the guns will be in a Thumb release safe place near them in selected areas. They will be authorized to touch the weapons only in the case of a school shooting.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 25, 2018 22:11:56 GMT -6
I stil say that weapons should be kept in quickly accessible storage lockers that can only be accessed by LEO's and qualified teachers.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 25, 2018 22:15:08 GMT -6
I stil say that weapons should be kept in quickly accessible storage lockers that can only be accessed by LEO's and qualified teachers. So teachers or staff that get post certified, same as cops are good in yours eyes then....
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Post by Foggy on Feb 25, 2018 22:21:01 GMT -6
I stil say that weapons should be kept in quickly accessible storage lockers that can only be accessed by LEO's and qualified teachers. So teachers or staff that get post certified, same as cops are good in yours eyes then.... Well you gotta trust someone. I'd say cops are better than teachers.....but were talking about "qualified" teachers in a bad scenario. IMO....those teachers need to pass some rigorous tests to get access to the gun closet. .....and they only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.....right?
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 25, 2018 22:25:55 GMT -6
So teachers or staff that get post certified, same as cops are good in yours eyes then.... Well you gotta trust someone. I'd say cops are better than teachers.....but were talking about "qualified" teachers in a bad scenario. IMO....those teachers need to pass some rigorous tests to get access to the gun closet. .....and they only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.....right? Qualified Staff would have the same training as peace officers. We pay for teachers to get their advance education after they are teaching now, lets pay for them to get post certified. Its a no brainer to me. We send our military over seas to protect school age children so they can go to school, but we somehow won't protect our students here. That needs to change.
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Post by wildfire123 on Feb 26, 2018 19:04:26 GMT -6
Are the teachers going to pay for the training, or will WE taxpayers foot the bill?
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Post by Freeborn on Feb 26, 2018 19:50:42 GMT -6
Are the teachers going to pay for the training, or will WE taxpayers foot the bill? Taxpayers.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 26, 2018 20:01:01 GMT -6
Are the teachers going to pay for the training, or will WE taxpayers foot the bill? NRA Pays for it through their grant program. So we gun owners pay for it! Edit: We tax payers have been paying teachers for years to get their Masters, Maybe we should pay for some teachers to get post certified, would be the same one would think! Or better, we would get something for our money when the teachers get post certified.
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Post by Catscratch on Feb 27, 2018 6:35:07 GMT -6
I thought the NRA only offered free consultation for schools on security? I didn't know they were offering tuition to staff for post certification. That is a substantial offer that will get results.
You're painting a very enticing scenario for teachers to become armed Mo! A pay raise comparable to having a masters, but with free training and a much shorter course (most post certification programs that I found online were only around 4 months, compared to 24 month master programs).
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 27, 2018 6:44:42 GMT -6
I thought the NRA only offered free consultation for schools on security? I didn't know they were offering tuition to staff for post certification. That is a substantial offer that will get results. You're painting a very enticing scenario for teachers to become armed Mo! A pay raise comparable to having a masters, but with free training and a much shorter course (most post certification programs that I found online were only around 4 months, compared to 24 month master programs). My understanding is they provide grant money for people willing to take the role. Whether the grant money is truly coming from just the NRA could be another story. For all I know, they could be directing schools to where the federal money is as well. but would it really matter if it keeps staff and students as safe as possible?
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Post by Catscratch on Feb 27, 2018 6:48:47 GMT -6
I thought the NRA only offered free consultation for schools on security? I didn't know they were offering tuition to staff for post certification. That is a substantial offer that will get results. You're painting a very enticing scenario for teachers to become armed Mo! A pay raise comparable to having a masters, but with free training and a much shorter course (most post certification programs that I found online were only around 4 months, compared to 24 month master programs). My understanding is they provide grant money for people willing to take the role. Whether the grant money is truly coming from just the NRA could be another story. For all I know, they could be directing schools to where the federal money is as well. but would it really matter if it keeps staff and students as safe as possible? It all circles around to tax dollars anyway, doesn't matter who's name or what spin is put on it... still tax dollars. Whatever the case, free training and a pay raise will draw people in to it and goal will be achieved.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Feb 27, 2018 8:01:10 GMT -6
CNN commentator was upset Trump called the shooter a "sicko"
Can you believe it??
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 27, 2018 8:41:41 GMT -6
CNN commentator was upset Trump called the shooter a "sicko" Can you believe it?? I am more pissed off that Trump made the stupid comment he would have run in that building without a gun.
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 27, 2018 9:47:52 GMT -6
I have a question for you guys that want to arm teachers. What kind of weapons are you proposing to arm the teachers with? If you are talking hand gun, how is that going to work going up against a semi auto rifle. Effective range to shoot an auto hand gun is 15 to 20 yards with lots of practice while rifle is 100 yards plus. How many swat teams come to a shooting with just hand guns? Ok you arm a teachers with guns, a 911 call comes in that there is an active shooter at school, the police and swat arrives on scene, how will they be able to determine the shooter from a teacher carrying a weapon. This is the number 1 concern of police departments. Another thing school halls are lined with metal school lockers which make ricochets a very real concern which ups the chance of stray bullet hitting a innocent person. Take a look at past accidental police shootings and how in a lot of cases the police officer was crucified for it, now put a teacher in that position. I agree that some thing needs to be done but don't think that arming teachers is the answer but is a knee jerk reaction as is the demand for banning AR 15's which I don't agree with either.
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