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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 27, 2018 11:25:50 GMT -6
I have a question for you guys that want to arm teachers. What kind of weapons are you proposing to arm the teachers with? If you are talking hand gun, how is that going to work going up against a semi auto rifle. Effective range to shoot an auto hand gun is 15 to 20 yards with lots of practice while rifle is 100 yards plus. How many swat teams come to a shooting with just hand guns? Ok you arm a teachers with guns, a 911 call comes in that there is an active shooter at school, the police and swat arrives on scene, how will they be able to determine the shooter from a teacher carrying a weapon. This is the number 1 concern of police departments. Another thing school halls are lined with metal school lockers which make ricochets a very real concern which ups the chance of stray bullet hitting a innocent person. Take a look at past accidental police shootings and how in a lot of cases the police officer was crucified for it, now put a teacher in that position. I agree that some thing needs to be done but don't think that arming teachers is the answer but is a knee jerk reaction as is the demand for banning AR 15's which I don't agree with either. If it were up to me they would all have AR's with aim points. School Resource officers carry side arms, not AR's. Teachers would have access to sidearms, not carry them. Way better than throwing a chair, book or computer at a guy with a AR!
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 27, 2018 11:41:05 GMT -6
The idea of the program is to never need to use a weapon. But let everyone know certain unknown teachers are trained and ready to meet fire with fire if need be. You put that word out, crazy people will think twice maybe about coming into a hard target now. They will have to find a different soft target! If a teacher does have to use a weapon, we hope the threat will be ended quickly and reported to the police. No policy is fool proof, but one that continues to take a hard stance of Run Hide Die all while a officer is on his way, or is standing outside like in the florida shooting, guarantee's staff and students will die if someone enters your building with ill will in mind.
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Post by jbird on Feb 27, 2018 12:18:01 GMT -6
I think the approach needs to have several levels.
#1 - secure campuses
#2 - armed response system
#3 - fix the broken system
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 27, 2018 12:37:22 GMT -6
I think the approach needs to have several levels. #1 - secure campuses #2 - armed response system #3 - fix the broken system That is what the shield program is. Assess the schools security situation, recommend idea's to fix the problem areas first, guns in school last. But there will be guns in school.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 27, 2018 13:17:21 GMT -6
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Post by Reagan on Feb 27, 2018 14:32:40 GMT -6
He is a county north of me. I like him. He also thinks illegals who commit crimes should be hauled back over the border. Lefties think he is outrageous but he seems to stay in office.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 27, 2018 14:34:48 GMT -6
He is a county north of me. I like him. He also thinks illegals who commit crimes should be hauled back over the border. Lefties think he is outrageous but he seems to stay in office. Must be more righties in his county than lefties. LOL!
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Post by wildfire123 on Feb 27, 2018 19:09:02 GMT -6
My son just renewed his conceal and carry. Some of the people in renewing or getting a carry permit would have trouble hitting someone at 10 yards with a full magazine. When your life or someone else life is in danger, how good would shoot? What happens when a carrying person hits other than the perp? Sawed off shotgun with 00 buck, you only have to get close, 1 shot.
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Post by Reagan on Feb 27, 2018 19:20:09 GMT -6
SW Ohio is the right leaning part of the state. Northern Ohio including Cleveland and Toledo are left.
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Post by sd51555 on Feb 27, 2018 20:12:58 GMT -6
Armed teachers is a deterrent, not a combat strategy. If there is a known resistance there, the wackos will simply move to the next GUN-FREE zone and carry out their tantrum. The gun free zone is the key to every one of these mass shootings.
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Post by Foggy on Feb 27, 2018 20:15:28 GMT -6
My position is that teachers and other LEO's could access a secure gun safe which would be positioned throughout the building. These "gun safes" would contain highly accurate guns and perhaps other gear that would allow engaging the bad guy. Possibly those guns could be of a different color or a swat vest could identify the user(s) to other LEO"S. One would think that a good plan could enable other LEO's to know who is who. Police do it all the time. I would think a quality radio would be a part of the gear in the locker.
While none of this is perfect....what we have now is far from perfect. I'd like to think that we would be a few light years ahead of the current situation with some guns being readily available to the good guys.....and proper training.
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