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Post by jbird on Feb 8, 2017 16:41:11 GMT -6
You guys got some interesting stuff going on. The closest thing I have down here is a "classified wild lands" program where they do the same thing....$1 an acre property taxes for the ground in the program and then the state creates/approves a management plan that you have to stick to. There are a few rules as far as size and cover type and the like, but it's the same intent. The big trick is it's still private land. Nobody down here is going to open their land up to the public.....ain't gonna happen! I don't even like the state having to approve my plan......they can bite me. I'll cut trees when I want to cut trees! My total property taxes isn't that bad any way. I pay on average $15/acre for mixed ag and wooded ground - not worth the headache!
Taxes by me for non MFL land are around $50 / acre. So a 40 acre parcel is $2,000 per year. One other thing JBird is you don't have the big chunks of woods we have. This is for woods only. Not for open land. So if it is not land that can grow a merchantable timber you can't enroll your land. Correct me if I'm wrong having 20+ acres of continuous woods by you is rare?
Our program here is for "wildlife habitat" - it isn't limited to wooded properties, but my ag fields don't count! It would include brushy areas, swamps, areas planted to NWSG areas and the like. You are also correct that in my area large areas of woods and brush and the like are not common, now that isn't true for the entire state - but in my immediate area that is accurate. That was why my enrolling in such a program would have very minimal impact from a tax perspective AND add the added pain in my ass of having to deal with the state. Where a program like we have here interests me is if/when I decide to retire that farm land. A neighbor of mine did this. They bought shitty farm ground and planted it all in hardwoods and enrolled in this program. In 2015 for a 28 acre piece they paid $11 in property taxes!!!! And I know the state helped foot the bill for the planting as well. Now those folks are in the timber business and they do this all the time. I would have to be willing to walk away from a $200 an acre annual rental rate to be able to do this, so it's a much harder pill for me to swallow. I have a bottom field that is about 15 acres I would love to do this with, but do some math and it doesn't take long to figure out that even with what I pay in property taxes for that ground I come out money well ahead by allowing it to be farmed. I have people tell me that all the time. Start putting figures to things and sorry, but money talks! I just take interest in how other states do things because there are some good things to them and some bad. My state is a "follower" and not a leader. So I try to keep tabs on what is going on out there. I know my DNR has discussed DMAP and County Deer Counsels and the like - so getting info from folks that live those situations helps me ask more pointed questions to my DNR......and yes, my DNR hates me! I specifically bring up the MN deer issue and their fight regularly...... Deer hunters love me.....the DNR.....not so much!
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 8, 2017 16:47:59 GMT -6
My wife worked for a private company until they closed the doors in town due to a merger. She than went to work for school district to finish out until she hits 65. Her wages went down 40% and her benefits were reduced by 50% Oh and she has to pay for some of her health insurance and pays 50% of her pension. She is not a teacher but is support staff, has more responsibility in this job than she had before. The teachers have the same benefits and pension. As far as your taxes not going down, ask our governor.
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 8, 2017 16:53:16 GMT -6
Right now their raises are less than 1%. The only way they are advancing is by skipping around to different school districts.
That all could be true Tom. But answer my question above. Isn't it the benefits that are the problem and not the pay? From what I've seen that is the problem.
Brad what benefits do you think that teachers and support staff have that you don't have in the private sector. In fact they have less.
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Post by jbird on Feb 8, 2017 16:55:46 GMT -6
Well it sounds like Brad is getting shit on!
I had to look mine up.....without the house and the lot it's on. I have roughly 150 acres - 100 tillable, a morton building and a grain bin/dryer - I paid roughly 3 grand in property taxes in 2015. Now - I get roughly $200 an acre a year in cash rent and then my CRP payments on top of that..... so my place pays for itself!!!! Love that tillable ground when it comes to the $ - hate it when it comes to deer hunting!!!
I would suggest moving to Indiana....but I wouldn't wish that on anyone!!!!
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Post by badgerfowl on Feb 8, 2017 17:45:23 GMT -6
Taxes on our 50 acres are about $850. It's ag and ag forest. The 40 next to us is roughly $1500. Having the ag definitely helps.
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Post by Satchmo on Feb 8, 2017 18:09:41 GMT -6
That all could be true Tom. But answer my question above. Isn't it the benefits that are the problem and not the pay? From what I've seen that is the problem.
Brad what benefits do you think that teachers and support staff have that you don't have in the private sector. In fact they have less. Beg your pardon Tom, but what I see there, is that school district employees get union negotiated pay raises, subsidized health care, and an employer matched pension. I'm in the private sector, and I get absolutely NONE of that. Now before you jump on my shit, I begrudge them none of it. In fact my wife is in the public sector, so I reap the benefits of her being a public employee, but I too believe it's a good gig.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 18:12:34 GMT -6
It's no fucking cakewalk dealing with someone else's brats all day and they have all but taken away any repercussion for the kids if they want to be assholes. My cousin has a teaching degree because he felt it was his life's calling, wasn't in it for the money or bennies, now he sells forklifts because the total $$$ package is better.
The job would suck. No doubt about it.
So if we aren't paying squat for teachers then where is all the money going?
Working 180 days out of 365 a year would suck? I don't think so!
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 18:14:48 GMT -6
Brad what benefits do you think that teachers and support staff have that you don't have in the private sector. In fact they have less. Beg your pardon Tom, but what I see there, is that school district employees get union negotiated pay raises, subsidized health care, and an employer matched pension. I'm in the private sector, and I get absolutely NONE of that. Now before you jump on my shit, I begrudge them none of it. In fact my wife is in the public sector, so I reap the benefits of her being a public employee, but I too believe it's a good gig. Yep, our local district just voted themselves a 13.5% pay raise over 3 years. plus a huge increase in health and welfare.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 8, 2017 18:16:31 GMT -6
I think it may be best for all of us to not slam a profession if or until you have participated in said profession. I believe I know a few farmers who aren't real interested in hearing about how I feel about subsidies
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 18:17:13 GMT -6
My wife worked for a private company until they closed the doors in town due to a merger. She than went to work for school district to finish out until she hits 65. Her wages went down 40% and her benefits were reduced by 50% Oh and she has to pay for some of her health insurance and pays 50% of her pension. She is not a teacher but is support staff, has more responsibility in this job than she had before. The teachers have the same benefits and pension. As far as your taxes not going down, ask our governor. The Barracuda has 70% of her paycheck go for health insurance for the two of us. Then she does the max on matching the employer 401K. Leaves about $100 a week for a 36 hour shift! Only in America!
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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 8, 2017 18:24:29 GMT -6
Putting up with someone's snotnosed, spoiled, mouthy, brat for those 180 days every year would be a real fucking treat though right? Especially since you have no way to discipline them without severe repercussions if you so much as hurt the little snowflakes feelings. No thanks! I'll work 6 days weeks in peace and quiet.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 18:24:49 GMT -6
I think it may be best for all of us to not slam a profession if or until you have participated in said profession. I believe I know a few farmers who aren't real interested in hearing about how I feel about subsidies Yep get congress to end them, but know one can. So the farmers continue to take them for producing some of then cheapest food in the world. All while improving there yields to keep up with world demand. While the school district continues to puke out idiots and lower graduation rates every year! Both farmers and education are the highest on the gov subsidies list. 90% of our farm subsidies go for EBT cards for the poor,(Bahahahaha). 100% percent of the education system subsidies goes for education! Not picking on ya Stu, and certainly not bashing anyones profession. But we have over 2,000 subsidies programs, everyone is subsidized somewhere, whether they realize it or not!
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 18:25:51 GMT -6
Putting up with someone's snotnosed, spoiled, mouthy, brat for those 180 days every year would be a real fucking treat though right? Especially since you have no way to discipline them without severe repercussions if you so much as hurt the little snowflakes feelings. No thanks! I'll work 6 days weeks in peace and quiet. Yep. they get every dime they deserve, that is a fact! Or they deserve every dime they get....
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 8, 2017 18:28:34 GMT -6
Brad what benefits do you think that teachers and support staff have that you don't have in the private sector. In fact they have less. Beg your pardon Tom, but what I see there, is that school district employees get union negotiated pay raises, subsidized health care, and an employer matched pension. I'm in the private sector, and I get absolutely NONE of that. Now before you jump on my shit, I begrudge them none of it. In fact my wife is in the public sector, so I reap the benefits of her being a public employee, but I too believe it's a good gig. Satch there is no Union negotiated wages in Wisconsin for public employees' any more. In fact there has been years where there are no wage increase. Health care benefits are no better than what is in the private sector, in some cases worse. I was talking Wisconsin, glad that your wife has those good benefits. I give teachers credit just today 3 different teachers had death threats from students at the school my wife works at.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 8, 2017 18:33:00 GMT -6
Not sure where these teachers are that work 180 days a year? I know in MN they get paid for 180 days a year....I also know there are an awful lot of teachers' cars in school parking lots on days they aren't getting paid.
WI has (or had, don't know if it's still the same) 190 day teacher contracts as there's 2 more weeks of school there. I always put in 2 weeks(unpaid) before the school year started and a great number of elementary teachers put in far more than that.
Are there some benefits to being a teacher? Of course. Are there some downsides? You bet your ass. The last I checked there are still teacher shortages in many areas. I'm sure anybody who wants to put in the 4 years (almost a mandatory 5 years at WI universities the last I knew due to the number of required courses) of college to earn $30K a year would likely be welcome to do so.
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