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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 18:34:09 GMT -6
Death threats? WTF, you couldnt pay me enough! And I thought all these farmers stopping by drinking up my beer was bad......
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 8, 2017 18:43:35 GMT -6
Death threats? WTF, you couldnt pay me enough! And I thought all these farmers stopping by drinking up my beer was bad...... Mo you would be considered an honor student in todays school classes. lol
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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 8, 2017 18:56:02 GMT -6
My buddy in Fort Atkinson is married to a perfect little school marm type girl that just finished year 5 and is now working for basically free to get in her "student teacher" hours because the district she got sent to had no budget left to compensate their student teachers. Yup, great gig there.
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Post by Satchmo on Feb 8, 2017 19:04:02 GMT -6
I wouldn't be a teacher for twice their pay. They earn every dime they get and then some. Kinda like choosing to do daycare.....fucking nuts to me. Too much grief goes with both those jobs.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 8, 2017 19:07:25 GMT -6
I interned instead of student teaching. I got that "privilege" because I was older and due to the fact I already had 5 years experience in a classroom as a paraprofessional.
I was supposed to have a half case load and work half a week. Two weeks in I had a full case load, was there every day, all day and still had to drive an hour one way to school 2 nights a week for a 3.5 hour worthless Intern seminar. I was compensated a whopping $2500 (before taxes) for that semester.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 19:11:58 GMT -6
What I don't understand is, if the job sucks that bad. stop funding the schools and let the kids get a online education and be done with it!
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Post by Foggy on Feb 8, 2017 19:18:33 GMT -6
I got a couple of thoughts about how fairly folks get treated in the workplace......and will list two issues I have below.
1. At a party some years ago......I was complaining about how much money truck drivers were paid for the level of work that they did. A friend of mine told me......"that if you think it is such a good occupation - then why don't you become a truck driver?". I guess he had a point. Today....there is LOTS of good truck driving jobs to be had......yet they still can't find enough folks to do the job. So......I guess I was wrong here.
2. I have several friends from my High School days that went into the military right out of High School.....and RETIRED will full benefits when they were 40 years old. They get great benefits and never saw any combat or tough duty. (Submariners, Air Force, Coast Guard, etc). WTF??? I gotta wonder about folks getting full retirement at 40! Same goes for police, and other government employees. Post Office?? TTHEN ......lots of these folks become double dippers and get Two retirement plans by the time they are 60.. FOR WHAT? working as hard as someone in the private sector that does not get any of these super benefits?? What is fair about this?
Sometimes I struggle with the fairness of government vs private workplace bennies. Just saying.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 8, 2017 19:18:33 GMT -6
What I don't understand is, if the job sucks that bad. stop funding the schools and let the kids get a online education and be done with it! A free and appropriate education for every student is required by federal law. Parents can opt to homeschool or do online schooling at home, but that is up to them to do so. Once they choose to do that, the expense is on them directly. Education is expensive, no doubt. The quality of education in states like MN and WI is top notch...that's proven year after year by looking at ACT/SAT scores on a nationwide basis. Could it be done for less money? I'd say yes, but it would require a complete overhaul of the system and a completely different way of looking at education. Want to see a huge spike in crime rates? Close the schools and make parents responsible for their children 24/7/365. Which one is going to quit their job to supervise/educate the kids?
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Post by Reagan on Feb 8, 2017 19:20:24 GMT -6
I was 4 pages behind on this thread.
Your states are fucked up. Taxes too high and what are you getting for it?
I'd like to know what subsidy I'm getting. Someone mentioned above that we all get one.
And just to get Mo riled up.....
Anyone ever read the Fairtax book?
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Post by Catscratch on Feb 8, 2017 19:28:53 GMT -6
Mo, I picture you being a blast in my classroom. I believe you know how to work and THINK on your own and come up with solid reasoning. I don't know Wisconsin but I know Kansas. KS shits on their teachers. Governor Brownback has tried every dirty, sneaky, backhanded, etc. trick he can to disgruntle and take away from teachers that he can.
With that said I can only describe what it's like to be a teacher in the district I work in. I started at $28,500 14yrs ago. We are contracted to get a $500/yr raise up to 9yrs. Then raises quit unless you get more education. I looked at getting a master's degree but it wouldn't pay itself off before I retired (the cost doesn't justify the payoff). I teach physics, chemistry, biology, and advanced bio (basically a dissection class). I have degrees in each as well as a license as a teacher. I spend my own money to earn continuing education credits to keep my license. I coach Jr. Cross Country, High school Cross Country, Jr Girls basketball, Jr. and High school Track, and Science Olympiad. I arrive at school at 6:00am and usually don't leave until 7:30pm-8:00pm unless we have a competition. On competition nights I usually don't get home until midnight, luckily this only happens once or twice a week. Of course this doesn't give me time to grade papers and make entries on the computer gradebook. I do that at home on my own time. Health insurance sucks and we use my wife's family plan. Retirement plan sounds great but our Governor has been "borrowing" from it to fund other things so I don't really expect it to be there when I need it. Every teacher I work with is some of the most professional and hard working people I know. They aren't liberials like everyone says either. The day after the election almost every staff member was wearing a red shirt. Lots of Republicans here.
Great things about it: We only have school 4 days a week, I have the exact same days off as my kids, and a lot of the work I do is on my own time... if I want to grade tests at midnight because I went on a Sunday morning hunt then I can make that choice. But I can tell you bene's and pay suck in comparison to other professions. I don't teach for the money.
The job I left to become a teacher (just so you know I have some comparison in the "real world") was a machinist for 6yrs. I started out cranking handles on a Bridgeport. When I quit I was reading prints, making set-ups, programming, and running parts on a CNC lathe and two CNC mills. Money was good, health insurance was only $550/month out of pocket, and they offered employee match up to 6% for 401k. Overtime was time and half over 40hrs, anyone who had at least 60hrs Monday-Saturday and was asked to come in Sunday got double time. 6 day weeks were standard for me with 7's happening often. I made a lot more money as a machinist, had better benefits, and was treated better. For whatever reason I like teaching better. Every once in a while I'll run into one of the old shop managers and he'll offer me my job back but I have no desire to do that.
So, (after my long ass rant) I see huge benefits to being a teacher but none of them have to do with pay or benefits packages.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 19:29:06 GMT -6
What I don't understand is, if the job sucks that bad. stop funding the schools and let the kids get a online education and be done with it! A free and appropriate education for every student is required by federal law. Parents can opt to homeschool or do online schooling at home, but that is up to them to do so. Once they choose to do that, the expense is on them directly. Education is expensive, no doubt. The quality of education in states like MN and WI is top notch...that's proven year after year by looking at ACT/SAT scores on a nationwide basis. Could it be done for less money? I'd say yes, but it would require a complete overhaul of the system and a completely different way of looking at education. Want to see a huge spike in crime rates? Close the schools and make parents responsible for their children 24/7/365. Which one is going to quit their job to supervise/educate the kids?
Sounds like a awful expensive day care we are running if thats the case! In our town as in many, enrollment is crashing. So we now have over $200,000 to graduate a senior from high school. and that is just the annual budget. Then we will have $100,000,000 worth of levies to pay for as well. This price tag has to end sometime.
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Post by Catscratch on Feb 8, 2017 19:34:30 GMT -6
What I don't understand is, if the job sucks that bad. stop funding the schools and let the kids get a online education and be done with it! I'm in a low income district. Kids sometimes have a hard time showing up for school on a regular basis and end up truant. At this point the law becomes involved. Some of these families think online degrees become a good option at this point. It almost never works out for them. In fact I can't think of a single kid who succeeded with this route. It sounds like a good option for some but it isn't always...
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 19:34:49 GMT -6
Mo, I picture you being a blast in my classroom. I believe you know how to work and THINK on your own and come up with solid reasoning. I don't know Wisconsin but I know Kansas. KS shits on their teachers. Governor Brownback has tried every dirty, sneaky, backhanded, etc. trick he can to disgruntle and take away from teachers that he can. With that said I can only describe what it's like to be a teacher in the district I work in. I started at $28,500 14yrs ago. We are contracted to get a $500/yr raise up to 9yrs. Then raises quit unless you get more education. I looked at getting a master's degree but it wouldn't pay itself off before I retired (the cost doesn't justify the payoff). I teach physics, chemistry, biology, and advanced bio (basically a dissection class). I have degrees in each as well as a license as a teacher. I spend my own money to earn continuing education credits to keep my license. I coach Jr. Cross Country, High school Cross Country, Jr Girls basketball, Jr. and High school Track, and Science Olympiad. I arrive at school at 6:00am and usually don't leave until 7:30pm-8:00pm unless we have a competition. On competition nights I usually don't get home until midnight, luckily this only happens once or twice a week. Of course this doesn't give me time to grade papers and make entries on the computer gradebook. I do that at home on my own time. Health insurance sucks and we use my wife's family plan. Retirement plan sounds great but our Governor has been "borrowing" from it to fund other things so I don't really expect it to be there when I need it. Every teacher I work with is some of the most professional and hard working people I know. They aren't liberials like everyone says either. The day after the election almost every staff member was wearing a red shirt. Lots of Republicans here. Great things about it: We only have school 4 days a week, I have the exact same days off as my kids, and a lot of the work I do is on my own time... if I want to grade tests at midnight because I went on a Sunday morning hunt then I can make that choice. But I can tell you bene's and pay suck in comparison to other professions. I don't teach for the money. The job I left to become a teacher (just so you know I have some comparison in the "real world") was a machinist for 6yrs. I started out cranking handles on a Bridgeport. When I quit I was reading prints, making set-ups, programming, and running parts on a CNC lathe and two CNC mills. Money was good, health insurance was only $550/month out of pocket, and they offered employee match up to 6% for 401k. Overtime was time and half over 40hrs, anyone who had at least 60hrs Monday-Saturday and was asked to come in Sunday got double time. 6 day weeks were standard for me with 7's happening often. I made a lot more money as a machinist, had better benefits, and was treated better. For whatever reason I like teaching better. Every once in a while I'll run into one of the old shop managers and he'll offer me my job back but I have no desire to do that. So, (after my long ass rant) I see huge benefits to being a teacher but none of them have to do with pay or benefits packages. You cant picture me in your class, I went one month into the tenth grade and said fuck this shit! I was smarter, or had more common sense than 90% of the teachers I had!
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Post by smsmith on Feb 8, 2017 19:34:56 GMT -6
$20K - $40K annually to lock somebody up too. I usually don't see people complaining about what it costs to imprison folks, but we sure will bitch about educating them.
Plenty of research out there showing that the more and better education a person gets, the lower the chances of becoming a criminal (obviously not a guarantee).
Towns with crashing enrollment, like most of rural MN...are in a major clusterfuck. I see towns fighting over consolidation because they used to be "rivals" or some other silly shit. Fuck that, want to save money or a false sense of school pride?
Want a real kick in the sack? Try looking at that school tax amount and never had a child accessing the school system...or the technical schools...or anything else that gets funded publicly for children.
I don't know what the answers are, but I will agree that things need to change.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 8, 2017 19:42:41 GMT -6
What I don't understand is, if the job sucks that bad. stop funding the schools and let the kids get a online education and be done with it! I'm in a low income district. Kids sometimes have a hard time showing up for school on a regular basis and end up truant. At this point the law becomes involved. Some of these families think online degrees become a good option at this point. It almost never works out for them. In fact I can't think of a single kid who succeeded with this route. It sounds like a good option for some but it isn't always... Thats what all the teachers say......but the fact is, Johnny Asshole would have finished HS either at least he left and is out of your hair! One thing I know is this. The world needs ditch diggers too! And you can make good money doing it!
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