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Post by Sandbur on Mar 2, 2024 5:44:12 GMT -6
I just hate complicated rules for our hunting and fishing sports. We don’t need excess lines of do this here and not across the road or creek.
Some of these fish harvest regulations are so complicated that I can’t understand them. Northern spearing and fishing harvest on Mille Lacs. A one inch harvest slot for walleyes, but fish can shrink an inch in a cooler of ice. The fishing regulations show laying fish flat and measuring them, but wardens shove their nose in a bump board.
I have never hunted APR areas but I imagine the same argument over tine length.
KISS.
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 2, 2024 6:27:14 GMT -6
At this point, Minnesota is already the worst managed state. So add rifles during the rut in open farm country? It’s not a popular change in my area…There was a big discussion/text group of hunters and landowners in Pope County on this in 2023 and almost everyone was opposed to it.
As noted in a letter to the Editor in Outdoor News—The MDHA does not survey the Minnesota hunters on this. They just push it.
It might be time to just let every new change just happen, then it will be rock bottom and there won’t be any new changes that they can think of ? Capitulation.
I was hoping Minnesota would start implementing rules that would help deer survive, or allow bucks to get older. I guess like the song says —I’m the King of Wishful Thinking !
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Post by smsmith on Mar 2, 2024 11:09:42 GMT -6
At this point, Minnesota is already the worst managed state. So add rifles during the rut in open farm country? It’s not a popular change in my area…There was a big discussion/text group of hunters and landowners in Pope County on this in 2023 and almost everyone was opposed to it. As noted in a letter to the Editor in Outdoor News—The MDHA does not survey the Minnesota hunters on this. They just push it. It might be time to just let every new change just happen, then it will be rock bottom and there won’t be any new changes that they can think of ? Capitulation. I was hoping Minnesota would start implementing rules that would help deer survive, or allow bucks to get older. I guess like the song says —I’m the King of Wishful Thinking ! Wish in one hand, shit in the other...see which one fills up first I have zero beliefs that the MNDNR will/would ever implement any rule(s) that would help put more deer on the landscape or to allow more bucks to live past 1.5. Zero. Control what you can control and hope your neighbors have some similar goals. That's about all a guy can do here. I have no doubts that if I owned half a section of ground or more right here where I currently live that I could have really good mature buck hunting. Would it be as good as the best ground in IA? Of course not. We have more large predators and occasional real wicked winters. As far as the "average" whitetail hunter's experience here goes...I'd guess it's much, much better than a good number of states and worse than some others. I'll say this...you couldn't pay me to live in most of the section of IA we drove through on our way back home this year. It looked almost identical to the black desert that makes up a lot of southern/SW MN. No thanks edit...the bill being introduced www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?session=ls93&number=HF864&session_number=0&session_year=2023&version=listThe authors of said bill www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF864&ssn=0&y=2023www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15435www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15597The second guy lives not far away from me it appears. Both have (R) after their names
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Post by Bwoods11 on Mar 2, 2024 11:53:03 GMT -6
I like Minnesota because of the scenery/fishing, lake home I will never sell. The hunting is fine. Just not what it could be. Iowa is more scenic on the Western side/Missouri River/Loess Hills. Nice area, fun and great hunting.
Not interested in spending summers there ! Maybe split time in the future, and take advantage of the lower state taxes ! Time will tell.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2024 12:18:41 GMT -6
At this point, Minnesota is already the worst managed state. So add rifles during the rut in open farm country? It’s not a popular change in my area…There was a big discussion/text group of hunters and landowners in Pope County on this in 2023 and almost everyone was opposed to it. As noted in a letter to the Editor in Outdoor News—The MDHA does not survey the Minnesota hunters on this. They just push it. It might be time to just let every new change just happen, then it will be rock bottom and there won’t be any new changes that they can think of ? Capitulation. I was hoping Minnesota would start implementing rules that would help deer survive, or allow bucks to get older. I guess like the song says —I’m the King of Wishful Thinking ! Wish in one hand, shit in the other...see which one fills up first I have zero beliefs that the MNDNR will/would ever implement any rule(s) that would help put more deer on the landscape or to allow more bucks to live past 1.5. Zero. Control what you can control and hope your neighbors have some similar goals. That's about all a guy can do here. I have no doubts that if I owned half a section of ground or more right here where I currently live that I could have really good mature buck hunting. Would it be as good as the best ground in IA? Of course not. We have more large predators and occasional real wicked winters. As far as the "average" whitetail hunter's experience here goes...I'd guess it's much, much better than a good number of states and worse than some others. I'll say this...you couldn't pay me to live in most of the section of IA we drove through on our way back home this year. It looked almost identical to the black desert that makes up a lot of southern/SW MN. No thanks edit...the bill being introduced www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?session=ls93&number=HF864&session_number=0&session_year=2023&version=listThe authors of said bill www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF864&ssn=0&y=2023www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15435www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15597The second guy lives not far away from me it appears. Both have (R) after their names The "black desert" areas are really only good (great) for farmers. there are a few isolated river areas that are pretty good for deer and some scenery.....but mostly its just great ag country. Likely a good thing many do not want to live there......as we are consuming so much productive land in this country as it is. In Nicollet county MN.....you need to own at least 40 acres to get a permit to build a home. Those small 10 to 30 acre horse farms come at a premium price these days. I've seen so much highly productive farmland here in the AZ valley area go into building the city. It is a concern.....as this area grows lots of veggies and such. Once it's turned to city there is no going back.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 2, 2024 15:34:33 GMT -6
At this point, Minnesota is already the worst managed state. So add rifles during the rut in open farm country? It’s not a popular change in my area…There was a big discussion/text group of hunters and landowners in Pope County on this in 2023 and almost everyone was opposed to it. As noted in a letter to the Editor in Outdoor News—The MDHA does not survey the Minnesota hunters on this. They just push it. It might be time to just let every new change just happen, then it will be rock bottom and there won’t be any new changes that they can think of ? Capitulation. I was hoping Minnesota would start implementing rules that would help deer survive, or allow bucks to get older. I guess like the song says —I’m the King of Wishful Thinking ! The MDHA position is based on a vote of representatives from each chapter. The number of votes is based on how many members in each chapter. Since many MDHA Members hunt in rifle zones, I don’t really think their opinions should matter. Only those Minnesota hunters in shotgun zones should decide. I can understand your concerns when cover is limited. For the WMA that is 1/4 mile from me, rifles or shotguns there makes no difference. That area is bow hunted, then youth and antlerless season hunted. It is pounded so hard I don’t think harvest would be much different. And then mzzle season. Not too mention archery.
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Post by Foggy on Mar 2, 2024 19:43:17 GMT -6
At this point, Minnesota is already the worst managed state. So add rifles during the rut in open farm country? It’s not a popular change in my area…There was a big discussion/text group of hunters and landowners in Pope County on this in 2023 and almost everyone was opposed to it. As noted in a letter to the Editor in Outdoor News—The MDHA does not survey the Minnesota hunters on this. They just push it. It might be time to just let every new change just happen, then it will be rock bottom and there won’t be any new changes that they can think of ? Capitulation. I was hoping Minnesota would start implementing rules that would help deer survive, or allow bucks to get older. I guess like the song says —I’m the King of Wishful Thinking ! Wish in one hand, shit in the other...see which one fills up first I have zero beliefs that the MNDNR will/would ever implement any rule(s) that would help put more deer on the landscape or to allow more bucks to live past 1.5. Zero. Control what you can control and hope your neighbors have some similar goals. That's about all a guy can do here. I have no doubts that if I owned half a section of ground or more right here where I currently live that I could have really good mature buck hunting. Would it be as good as the best ground in IA? Of course not. We have more large predators and occasional real wicked winters. As far as the "average" whitetail hunter's experience here goes...I'd guess it's much, much better than a good number of states and worse than some others. I'll say this...you couldn't pay me to live in most of the section of IA we drove through on our way back home this year. It looked almost identical to the black desert that makes up a lot of southern/SW MN. No thanks edit...the bill being introduced www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?session=ls93&number=HF864&session_number=0&session_year=2023&version=listThe authors of said bill www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF864&ssn=0&y=2023www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15435www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15597The second guy lives not far away from me it appears. Both have (R) after their names Stu....When I was growing up in South Central Minnesota.....and in times before the 60's.....you would have had a far different opinion on that land. Until that time.....southern Minnesota was filled with small farms. Many of those farms were 180 acres or so. A really big farm may be a section. Until then.....most all farms had a grove of trees around the homestead....and most had some wetland areas that also had some trees and standing water was everywhere all summer long. Farm kids would often swim in the potholes. The tractors and implements were relatively small and the row crop land would seldom comprise over 1/2 of those 180 acres. The balance was in hay land, pasture land and the previously said wetlands. Until then....almost all farmers were diversified into cows, hogs, chickens, hay, corn, beans, and lots of pasture land and "wasteland" which was WET. Most farmers also owned some woodlot acres along the river where they would go each winter to make wood for the next season. It was a waterfowl Mecca back in those times. The area where I grew up had so many potholes where we would jump shoot ducks or set out a few decoys morning and eventing and almost always attract a few flocks of ducks. We had big flights of mallards, bluebills, canvass backs, wood ducks and many more. Back then they had the soil bank acres which were loaded with pheasants. I can remember shooting 6 to ten roosters in one shot while shooting down the corn rows. It was phenomenal back then. (hard to believe today). It was not unusual when hunting in a family group of 15 hunters or so....to shoot 100++ pheasants in an afternoon. Duck hunting was absolutely fantastic when in my youth. Man we used to clobber the ducks back then! My dad and I did allot of pheasant hunting....and in late afternoons had no problem getting a limit of 6 roosters each out the window of our car....many doubles and triples. It was the way it was. Deer were quite plentiful (and still are in the MN river valley.....but also in those many prairie potholes and groves and wetlands). The tileing and drainage programs of the 40's, 50's and 60's absolutely made those farms into stellar farms for row crop production.....but it made the "black desert" a reality. Most farmers there sold off their cows and chickens and focussed on the row crops. "idle acres" programs and grasslands disappeared. If you are a pheasant....where are you gonna live in the black ground plowed property line to property line......and covered in deep snow? It was and is still devastating to the wildlife. I used to tell farmers that "you guys would tile out the Minnesota River and plant soybeans if you had your choices". Not a good thing to say if your pops is in the farm machinery biz....lol. But it was the truth. Today, there have been some reclamation of those wetlands and shelter belts, etc.......but it a mere .05% of what it used to be. I witnessed the change in the migration flyways of the huge flocks of ducks we once had....as well as the near devastation of pheasants and many other birds in the southern part of MN. Today the flyway is in the Dakotas.....and that too is changeing to some degree. The prairie pothole country is lots different today....make no mistake. EDIT: And regarding the Minnesota River and other rivers in Southern Minnesota.....the tileing of all that land forced so much of the topsoil to erode into those rivers and the fertilizer runoff was just deviating. I can still remember some of the clam beds the river used to have....but most of those were gone too by the time I was growing up. Travesty.
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Post by Sandbur on Mar 3, 2024 8:27:14 GMT -6
Wish in one hand, shit in the other...see which one fills up first I have zero beliefs that the MNDNR will/would ever implement any rule(s) that would help put more deer on the landscape or to allow more bucks to live past 1.5. Zero. Control what you can control and hope your neighbors have some similar goals. That's about all a guy can do here. I have no doubts that if I owned half a section of ground or more right here where I currently live that I could have really good mature buck hunting. Would it be as good as the best ground in IA? Of course not. We have more large predators and occasional real wicked winters. As far as the "average" whitetail hunter's experience here goes...I'd guess it's much, much better than a good number of states and worse than some others. I'll say this...you couldn't pay me to live in most of the section of IA we drove through on our way back home this year. It looked almost identical to the black desert that makes up a lot of southern/SW MN. No thanks edit...the bill being introduced www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?session=ls93&number=HF864&session_number=0&session_year=2023&version=listThe authors of said bill www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF864&ssn=0&y=2023www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15435www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15597The second guy lives not far away from me it appears. Both have (R) after their names Stu....When I was growing up in South Central Minnesota.....and in times before the 60's.....you would have had a far different opinion on that land. Until that time.....southern Minnesota was filled with small farms. Many of those farms were 180 acres or so. A really big farm may be a section. Until then.....most all farms had a grove of trees around the homestead....and most had some wetland areas that also had some trees and standing water was everywhere all summer long. Farm kids would often swim in the potholes. The tractors and implements were relatively small and the row crop land would seldom comprise over 1/2 of those 180 acres. The balance was in hay land, pasture land and the previously said wetlands. Until then....almost all farmers were diversified into cows, hogs, chickens, hay, corn, beans, and lots of pasture land and "wasteland" which was WET. Most farmers also owned some woodlot acres along the river where they would go each winter to make wood for the next season. It was a waterfowl Mecca back in those times. The area where I grew up had so many potholes where we would jump shoot ducks or set out a few decoys morning and eventing and almost always attract a few flocks of ducks. We had big flights of mallards, bluebills, canvass backs, wood ducks and many more. Back then they had the soil bank acres which were loaded with pheasants. I can remember shooting 6 to ten roosters in one shot while shooting down the corn rows. It was phenomenal back then. (hard to believe today). It was not unusual when hunting in a family group of 15 hunters or so....to shoot 100++ pheasants in an afternoon. Duck hunting was absolutely fantastic when in my youth. Man we used to clobber the ducks back then! My dad and I did allot of pheasant hunting....and in late afternoons had no problem getting a limit of 6 roosters each out the window of our car....many doubles and triples. It was the way it was. Deer were quite plentiful (and still are in the MN river valley.....but also in those many prairie potholes and groves and wetlands). The tileing and drainage programs of the 40's, 50's and 60's absolutely made those farms into stellar farms for row crop production.....but it made the "black desert" a reality. Most farmers there sold off their cows and chickens and focussed on the row crops. "idle acres" programs and grasslands disappeared. If you are a pheasant....where are you gonna live in the black ground plowed property line to property line......and covered in deep snow? It was and is still devastating to the wildlife. I used to tell farmers that "you guys would tile out the Minnesota River and plant soybeans if you had your choices". Not a good thing to say if your pops is in the farm machinery biz....lol. But it was the truth. Today, there have been some reclamation of those wetlands and shelter belts, etc.......but it a mere .05% of what it used to be. I witnessed the change in the migration flyways of the huge flocks of ducks we once had....as well as the near devastation of pheasants and many other birds in the southern part of MN. Today the flyway is in the Dakotas.....and that too is changeing to some degree. The prairie pothole country is lots different today....make no mistake. EDIT: And regarding the Minnesota River and other rivers in Southern Minnesota.....the tileing of all that land forced so much of the topsoil to erode into those rivers and the fertilizer runoff was just deviating. I can still remember some of the clam beds the river used to have....but most of those were gone too by the time I was growing up. Travesty. Those same things are now happening in central Minnesota. I hate to see it, but got to admit that big equipment can’t go around every pothole or wet spot. In the last 5 or so years, much of my area has been tiled, including part of my place. I still have the waterholes and more cover than most in the area. Just a note from the days you spoke of. My Dad and Mom had friends who crop farmed in Austin Mn in the 60’s. They carried a shotgun in the tractor and shot every hen pheasant they could get. I thought the reasoning was that they pulled out the seed corn. They were strictly crop farmers and drove to Iowa to buy margarine. They didn’t eat butter. Margarine was made from corn. I have heard that same thing about sandhill cranes.
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Post by biglakebass on Mar 3, 2024 8:56:01 GMT -6
Lots of great points in this thread. However, we are in a rifle zone, so I have no say in the matter.
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Post by smsmith on Mar 4, 2024 9:17:54 GMT -6
Wish in one hand, shit in the other...see which one fills up first I have zero beliefs that the MNDNR will/would ever implement any rule(s) that would help put more deer on the landscape or to allow more bucks to live past 1.5. Zero. Control what you can control and hope your neighbors have some similar goals. That's about all a guy can do here. I have no doubts that if I owned half a section of ground or more right here where I currently live that I could have really good mature buck hunting. Would it be as good as the best ground in IA? Of course not. We have more large predators and occasional real wicked winters. As far as the "average" whitetail hunter's experience here goes...I'd guess it's much, much better than a good number of states and worse than some others. I'll say this...you couldn't pay me to live in most of the section of IA we drove through on our way back home this year. It looked almost identical to the black desert that makes up a lot of southern/SW MN. No thanks edit...the bill being introduced www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/text.php?session=ls93&number=HF864&session_number=0&session_year=2023&version=listThe authors of said bill www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/bill.php?b=house&f=HF864&ssn=0&y=2023www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15435www.house.mn.gov/members/profile/15597The second guy lives not far away from me it appears. Both have (R) after their names Stu....When I was growing up in South Central Minnesota.....and in times before the 60's.....you would have had a far different opinion on that land. Until that time.....southern Minnesota was filled with small farms. Many of those farms were 180 acres or so. A really big farm may be a section. Until then.....most all farms had a grove of trees around the homestead....and most had some wetland areas that also had some trees and standing water was everywhere all summer long. Farm kids would often swim in the potholes. The tractors and implements were relatively small and the row crop land would seldom comprise over 1/2 of those 180 acres. The balance was in hay land, pasture land and the previously said wetlands. Until then....almost all farmers were diversified into cows, hogs, chickens, hay, corn, beans, and lots of pasture land and "wasteland" which was WET. Most farmers also owned some woodlot acres along the river where they would go each winter to make wood for the next season. It was a waterfowl Mecca back in those times. The area where I grew up had so many potholes where we would jump shoot ducks or set out a few decoys morning and eventing and almost always attract a few flocks of ducks. We had big flights of mallards, bluebills, canvass backs, wood ducks and many more. Back then they had the soil bank acres which were loaded with pheasants. I can remember shooting 6 to ten roosters in one shot while shooting down the corn rows. It was phenomenal back then. (hard to believe today). It was not unusual when hunting in a family group of 15 hunters or so....to shoot 100++ pheasants in an afternoon. Duck hunting was absolutely fantastic when in my youth. Man we used to clobber the ducks back then! My dad and I did allot of pheasant hunting....and in late afternoons had no problem getting a limit of 6 roosters each out the window of our car....many doubles and triples. It was the way it was. Deer were quite plentiful (and still are in the MN river valley.....but also in those many prairie potholes and groves and wetlands). The tileing and drainage programs of the 40's, 50's and 60's absolutely made those farms into stellar farms for row crop production.....but it made the "black desert" a reality. Most farmers there sold off their cows and chickens and focussed on the row crops. "idle acres" programs and grasslands disappeared. If you are a pheasant....where are you gonna live in the black ground plowed property line to property line......and covered in deep snow? It was and is still devastating to the wildlife. I used to tell farmers that "you guys would tile out the Minnesota River and plant soybeans if you had your choices". Not a good thing to say if your pops is in the farm machinery biz....lol. But it was the truth. Today, there have been some reclamation of those wetlands and shelter belts, etc.......but it a mere .05% of what it used to be. I witnessed the change in the migration flyways of the huge flocks of ducks we once had....as well as the near devastation of pheasants and many other birds in the southern part of MN. Today the flyway is in the Dakotas.....and that too is changeing to some degree. The prairie pothole country is lots different today....make no mistake. EDIT: And regarding the Minnesota River and other rivers in Southern Minnesota.....the tileing of all that land forced so much of the topsoil to erode into those rivers and the fertilizer runoff was just deviating. I can still remember some of the clam beds the river used to have....but most of those were gone too by the time I was growing up. Travesty. I'm seeing more and more tiling around here. MN farmer and hunter expectations/desires will likely continue to be diametrically opposed forever.
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