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Post by Foggy on Jul 12, 2022 7:51:02 GMT -6
Small burnet was one of the few seeds that grew pretty well on my folks' old place. It never put on anywhere near the biomass that it did on my old place, but anything was better than nothing. On my old place it grew great as part of a clover mix. Deer ate it at both sites. The only issue I'm having with burnet (and chicory) is weed control. I'm not going to spend the money on those two and then kill it off while attempting to control weeds in clover plots. Allegedly chicory can survive a light dose of Imox, but I'm not going to spend $6+ per lb. to find out. ^ This. I think I am headed down the right path for weed control with my new planting practices. Thus "crowding out' the weeds with crops that smother 'em. Little sign of pigweed this year.....and that was a huge issue for me. I think another year or two and I will experiment with more crops like Burnett. This year I have been able to use Cleth for the most part to control some grasses......and a little Gly to burn down some trails to cover to plots.
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Post by smsmith on Jul 12, 2022 9:31:19 GMT -6
Hemp nettle was one big reason I've gone to almost 100% perennial plots. I was sick and tired of pulling it, lambsquarters, pigweed, and plenty of other weeds. I still have one small plot where I plant brassicas, but even that one gets a shot of fixation balansa. The balansa helps to hold the weeds down the following spring/summer.
If I continue to frost seed a clover/alfalfa mix into my perennial plots and keep the weeds in check with whatever herbicides I need, I don't see why I can't keep them going in perpetuity.
The buck I shot last year died on the edge of a clover plot. He followed a doe right to and through that clover. Lush clover plots here draw deer well into November and sometimes well past if we don't get pounded with snow.
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Post by badgerfowl on Jul 12, 2022 9:34:52 GMT -6
Hemp nettle was one big reason I've gone to almost 100% perennial plots. I was sick and tired of pulling it, lambsquarters, pigweed, and plenty of other weeds. I still have one small plot where I plant brassicas, but even that one gets a shot of fixation balansa. The balansa helps to hold the weeds down the following spring/summer. If I continue to frost seed a clover/alfalfa mix into my perennial plots and keep the weeds in check with whatever herbicides I need, I don't see why I can't keep them going in perpetuity. The buck I shot last year died on the edge of a clover plot. He followed a doe right to and through that clover. Lush clover plots here draw deer well into November and sometimes well past if we don't get pounded with snow. I'm turning all of my "satellite" plots (will have 3 after this year) into perennial clover. I'll have the field plot for the LC rotation and 3 satellite clover plots. Should cut down on input costs in the future. One bag of brassica and oats/WR/peas/clover/radish and frost seed/mow/spray the clover plots.
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Post by smsmith on Jul 27, 2022 7:42:48 GMT -6
Sedges don't appear to be dying from the IMOX/Basagran/Nitrosurf combo...so I've got some Sedgehammer on the way. We'll see what that does. edit...Well, something happened to the sedges since I looked at them yesterday a.m. Today, there's definitely a bunch of them yellowing. I may wait on applying the Sedgehammer. Lots of clover showing more clearly now that some weeds and grasses are withering away. I did end up hitting the sedges with Sedgehammer. Between the Sedgehammer and previous IMOX mix most of the sedges appear to be on their last legs. I can definitely tell where the IMOX mix ran out as I was spraying. Lots of grasses, broadleaf plantain, and other weeds compared to the areas that did get hit. I have a bunch of summer (fall?) annual grasses popping on the north opening. I'm guessing fall panicum but that's just a guess. With any luck they'll all be dead in a few weeks. I hit the entire north opening with 16 oz. cleth and 10 oz. NIS this morning. There's lots of clover filling in, but I'm wondering if a guy wouldn't be further ahead to just nuke a weedy plot and start all over with a small grain/clover mix rather than hitting it with multiple shots of different chemicals. I do know that I'm going to have a really nice plot come fall if timely rains keep falling, so there's that. I'm getting sick and tired of sedges. Imox, Basgran, and Sedgehammer all put a dent in the population but to totally kill them it requires multiple doses. Even spot spraying with gly only knocks them back for a period of time. I may have to spend a number of hours with the potato fork next spring. Dig 'em up and toss them in the bush. edit...put some more thought into this plot as I was mowing today. I've hit it with a few hundred lbs. each of lime and gypsum in the past. The plot is right around 1/2 acre. Maybe I'll throw a few more hundred lbs. of each down this fall. I am also going to go ahead and hit it with Imox/Nitrosurf again. I've read various labels (Clearcast, Raptor, Imox, Octivio) and whether you can hit it once or twice a year varies from label to label...even though they are all the same AI. Oh yeah, when I was spot spraying sedges today I bumped a nice little 8 point. He was eating clover. From what I can tell, he's about done with antler growth.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 27, 2022 15:43:54 GMT -6
I did end up hitting the sedges with Sedgehammer. Between the Sedgehammer and previous IMOX mix most of the sedges appear to be on their last legs. I can definitely tell where the IMOX mix ran out as I was spraying. Lots of grasses, broadleaf plantain, and other weeds compared to the areas that did get hit. I have a bunch of summer (fall?) annual grasses popping on the north opening. I'm guessing fall panicum but that's just a guess. With any luck they'll all be dead in a few weeks. I hit the entire north opening with 16 oz. cleth and 10 oz. NIS this morning. There's lots of clover filling in, but I'm wondering if a guy wouldn't be further ahead to just nuke a weedy plot and start all over with a small grain/clover mix rather than hitting it with multiple shots of different chemicals. I do know that I'm going to have a really nice plot come fall if timely rains keep falling, so there's that. I'm getting sick and tired of sedges. Imox, Basgran, and Sedgehammer all put a dent in the population but to totally kill them it requires multiple doses. Even spot spraying with gly only knocks them back for a period of time. I may have to spend a number of hours with the potato fork next spring. Dig 'em up and toss them in the bush. edit...put some more thought into this plot as I was mowing today. I've hit it with a few hundred lbs. each of lime and gypsum in the past. The plot is right around 1/2 acre. Maybe I'll throw a few more hundred lbs. of each down this fall. I am also going to go ahead and hit it with Imox/Nitrosurf again. I've read various labels (Clearcast, Raptor, Imox, Octivio) and whether you can hit it once or twice a year varies from label to label...even though they are all the same AI. Oh yeah, when I was spot spraying sedges today I bumped a nice little 8 point. He was eating clover. From what I can tell, he's about done with antler growth. Sedges were set back but are now appearing in the corn plot.
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Post by Reagan on Jul 29, 2022 12:06:12 GMT -6
I hit this half of this weedy clover with gly a year ago and planted brassica. Frost seeded clover this spring. Threw down some sunflower seeds later in the spring. It now is clover, some sunflower and a bunch of ragweed.
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Post by Reagan on Jul 29, 2022 12:12:07 GMT -6
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Post by smsmith on Jul 29, 2022 19:25:21 GMT -6
Spread some PPT and radish seed last week. Mowed down a lot of ragweed but left the areas with sunflowers. Deer spent a lot of time eating ragweed last fall. The clover seemed to grow under the ragweed so we will see what dominates the rest of this fall. I've seen plenty of folks stating the same thing over the years. Ragweed seems to about as situationally/regionally used as brassicas. I've never seen it browsed, but maybe I'm biased against the stuff since it causes me so many allergic issues.
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Post by Reagan on Jul 29, 2022 21:23:56 GMT -6
I don’t see much browsing on ragweed right now. Last year I had smaller clumps of it in this plot and I watched October deer hit it pretty hard. It will be interesting to see how they use it this year.
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Post by Sandbur on Jul 30, 2022 4:24:49 GMT -6
I don’t see much browsing on ragweed right now. Last year I had smaller clumps of it in this plot and I watched October deer hit it pretty hard. It will be interesting to see how they use it this year. do they use it before or after a hard freeze?
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Post by Reagan on Jul 30, 2022 5:44:08 GMT -6
I don’t see much browsing on ragweed right now. Last year I had smaller clumps of it in this plot and I watched October deer hit it pretty hard. It will be interesting to see how they use it this year. do they use it before or after a hard freeze? We don’t see frost until the end of October. A hard freeze might be December for us. I know I watched a doe feed on it while standing knee deep in clover last year but I’m not sure of the timeline. I think it was late October so it might have been after a frost. I’ve seen on forums that ragweed is good browse. I’d have to look hard to find a browsed piece now. Maybe that’s because of the neighborhood crops. Maybe it needs a frost. Maybe I have so much of it they can’t eat enough to show damage.
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Post by smsmith on Jul 30, 2022 7:03:10 GMT -6
Ragweed is apparently a great plant for bobwhites?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2022 8:18:51 GMT -6
I did end up hitting the sedges with Sedgehammer. Between the Sedgehammer and previous IMOX mix most of the sedges appear to be on their last legs. I can definitely tell where the IMOX mix ran out as I was spraying. Lots of grasses, broadleaf plantain, and other weeds compared to the areas that did get hit. I have a bunch of summer (fall?) annual grasses popping on the north opening. I'm guessing fall panicum but that's just a guess. With any luck they'll all be dead in a few weeks. I hit the entire north opening with 16 oz. cleth and 10 oz. NIS this morning. There's lots of clover filling in, but I'm wondering if a guy wouldn't be further ahead to just nuke a weedy plot and start all over with a small grain/clover mix rather than hitting it with multiple shots of different chemicals. I do know that I'm going to have a really nice plot come fall if timely rains keep falling, so there's that. I'm getting sick and tired of sedges. Imox, Basgran, and Sedgehammer all put a dent in the population but to totally kill them it requires multiple doses. Even spot spraying with gly only knocks them back for a period of time. I may have to spend a number of hours with the potato fork next spring. Dig 'em up and toss them in the bush. edit...put some more thought into this plot as I was mowing today. I've hit it with a few hundred lbs. each of lime and gypsum in the past. The plot is right around 1/2 acre. Maybe I'll throw a few more hundred lbs. of each down this fall. I am also going to go ahead and hit it with Imox/Nitrosurf again. I've read various labels (Clearcast, Raptor, Imox, Octivio) and whether you can hit it once or twice a year varies from label to label...even though they are all the same AI. Oh yeah, when I was spot spraying sedges today I bumped a nice little 8 point. He was eating clover. From what I can tell, he's about done with antler growth. Decided to skip the second dose of Imox/Nitrosurf and went with Basagran/Butyrac/Nitrosurf instead. The main goal is to knock the sedges back (again) but whacking some summer germinating broadleaves too won't hurt my feelings. The lesson I've learned on this north forest opening is that you either have to just let nature take its course (mowing alone to keep brush/trees out), or stay on top of what you don't want in your clover/alfalfa mix. More lime and gypsum will also get spread yet this summer/early fall...
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 4, 2022 11:39:24 GMT -6
I'm getting sick and tired of sedges. Imox, Basgran, and Sedgehammer all put a dent in the population but to totally kill them it requires multiple doses. Even spot spraying with gly only knocks them back for a period of time. I may have to spend a number of hours with the potato fork next spring. Dig 'em up and toss them in the bush. edit...put some more thought into this plot as I was mowing today. I've hit it with a few hundred lbs. each of lime and gypsum in the past. The plot is right around 1/2 acre. Maybe I'll throw a few more hundred lbs. of each down this fall. I am also going to go ahead and hit it with Imox/Nitrosurf again. I've read various labels (Clearcast, Raptor, Imox, Octivio) and whether you can hit it once or twice a year varies from label to label...even though they are all the same AI. Oh yeah, when I was spot spraying sedges today I bumped a nice little 8 point. He was eating clover. From what I can tell, he's about done with antler growth. Decided to skip the second dose of Imox/Nitrosurf and went with Basagran/Butyrac/Nitrosurf instead. The main goal is to knock the sedges back (again) but whacking some summer germinating broadleaves too won't hurt my feelings. The lesson I've learned on this north forest opening is that you either have to just let nature take its course (mowing alone to keep brush/trees out), or stay on top of what you don't want in your clover/alfalfa mix. More lime and gypsum will also get spread yet this summer/early fall... I find sedges in wet areas on my place. I would tend to think too wet for alfalfa. Years back, I tried roundup and gypsum on a spot, then broadcast clover. That spot is nearly all sedge now. I give up and will let the real farmer plant alfalfa, sometimes with some clover on the lower ends.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 4, 2022 12:41:08 GMT -6
My clethodim spraying really knocked back most of the grasses earlier this summer, but they sure came back since then. I've already winterized my ATV sprayer, so I'll either let them go or maybe spot spray a few of the worse areas.
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