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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2022 12:45:43 GMT -6
My clethodim spraying really knocked back most of the grasses earlier this summer, but they sure came back since then. I've already winterized my ATV sprayer, so I'll either let them go or maybe spot spray a few of the worse areas. Cleth does a great job on small annual grasses. It also will knock back tough perennial grasses, but they oftentimes come back from the roots/sod. I'm going to do a couple rounds of cleth on new brassica plots and possibly another shot on clover plots before I winterize the big sprayer. I do need to switch from herbicide sprayer to orchard sprayer before next week. Gonna hit the fruit trees one more time.
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Post by benmnwi on Aug 4, 2022 12:57:50 GMT -6
My clethodim spraying really knocked back most of the grasses earlier this summer, but they sure came back since then. I've already winterized my ATV sprayer, so I'll either let them go or maybe spot spray a few of the worse areas. Cleth does a great job on small annual grasses. It also will knock back tough perennial grasses, but they oftentimes come back from the roots/sod. I'm going to do a couple rounds of cleth on new brassica plots and possibly another shot on clover plots before I winterize the big sprayer. I do need to switch from herbicide sprayer to orchard sprayer before next week. Gonna hit the fruit trees one more time. In hindsight I should have sprayed clethodim twice. I think that will be my plan next year since I would like to get a few more years out of this clover plot. What are you spraying on your fruit trees next week? I haven't winterized my fruit sprayer, so maybe I should give my fruit trees another shot. I only sprayed mine once this year and I was pretty happy with how that one spraying wiped out the bugs that were eating the leaves. The fruit was far from spotless though, so if I want better looking fruit I'll likely need to spray more.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2022 14:23:28 GMT -6
Cleth does a great job on small annual grasses. It also will knock back tough perennial grasses, but they oftentimes come back from the roots/sod. I'm going to do a couple rounds of cleth on new brassica plots and possibly another shot on clover plots before I winterize the big sprayer. I do need to switch from herbicide sprayer to orchard sprayer before next week. Gonna hit the fruit trees one more time. In hindsight I should have sprayed clethodim twice. I think that will be my plan next year since I would like to get a few more years out of this clover plot. What are you spraying on your fruit trees next week? I haven't winterized my fruit sprayer, so maybe I should give my fruit trees another shot. I only sprayed mine once this year and I was pretty happy with how that one spraying wiped out the bugs that were eating the leaves. The fruit was far from spotless though, so if I want better looking fruit I'll likely need to spray more. Same as previous...Imidan, Captan, Indar, spreader/sticker
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2022 20:09:15 GMT -6
I'm getting sick and tired of sedges. Imox, Basgran, and Sedgehammer all put a dent in the population but to totally kill them it requires multiple doses. Even spot spraying with gly only knocks them back for a period of time. I may have to spend a number of hours with the potato fork next spring. Dig 'em up and toss them in the bush. edit...put some more thought into this plot as I was mowing today. I've hit it with a few hundred lbs. each of lime and gypsum in the past. The plot is right around 1/2 acre. Maybe I'll throw a few more hundred lbs. of each down this fall. I am also going to go ahead and hit it with Imox/Nitrosurf again. I've read various labels (Clearcast, Raptor, Imox, Octivio) and whether you can hit it once or twice a year varies from label to label...even though they are all the same AI. Oh yeah, when I was spot spraying sedges today I bumped a nice little 8 point. He was eating clover. From what I can tell, he's about done with antler growth. Decided to skip the second dose of Imox/Nitrosurf and went with Basagran/Butyrac/Nitrosurf instead. The main goal is to knock the sedges back (again) but whacking some summer germinating broadleaves too won't hurt my feelings. The lesson I've learned on this north forest opening is that you either have to just let nature take its course (mowing alone to keep brush/trees out), or stay on top of what you don't want in your clover/alfalfa mix. More lime and gypsum will also get spread yet this summer/early fall... Thinking about sedges again...I bought the bottle of Sedgehammer earlier this year and have done some spot spraying. I may just bite the bullet next year and mix up a big sprayer full of the stuff and hit the entire plot. I intend to win the sedge war.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2022 20:31:29 GMT -6
Decided to skip the second dose of Imox/Nitrosurf and went with Basagran/Butyrac/Nitrosurf instead. The main goal is to knock the sedges back (again) but whacking some summer germinating broadleaves too won't hurt my feelings. The lesson I've learned on this north forest opening is that you either have to just let nature take its course (mowing alone to keep brush/trees out), or stay on top of what you don't want in your clover/alfalfa mix. More lime and gypsum will also get spread yet this summer/early fall... Thinking about sedges again...I bought the bottle of Sedgehammer earlier this year and have done some spot spraying. I may just bite the bullet next year and mix up a big sprayer full of the stuff and hit the entire plot. I intend to win the sedge war. I'm somewhat torn as to how much chemical and amendments I want to invest in my food plots. I have sprayed some Cleth a few times and that has been pretty effective for me. At this point I hate to kill beneficial broadleaves that I have planted earlier (Rape / Radish / Turnips) in order to get some marestail and such under control. Thankfully....I have no pigweed issues for a change. I did buy some Imox to give that a try.....but just got it the other day and have not applied any. I've got to be gone for a week or so due to other things going on......or I believe I would nuke a few areas to get some good brasica plots established. I'm so dry now....that I hate to clip my clover to rid the broadleaves.....but if it does rain....that would be my plan. As it stands now.....I tried to plant brasica into some thin clover......only to have my clover plots explode with growth and out-compete my brassica attempts. Running a bit short on time to do much more. I sure have some nice clover tho....and some other warm season crops mixed in. Maybe I can make a plan after another week goes by. I think I still got a bit of time for brassica.....if the rain would co-operate. I'm really dry here now.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 4, 2022 20:34:39 GMT -6
Thinking about sedges again...I bought the bottle of Sedgehammer earlier this year and have done some spot spraying. I may just bite the bullet next year and mix up a big sprayer full of the stuff and hit the entire plot. I intend to win the sedge war. I'm somewhat torn as to how much chemical and amendments I want to invest in my food plots. I have sprayed some Cleth a few times and that has been pretty effective for me. At this point I hate to kill beneficial broadleaves that I have planted earlier (Rape / Radish / Turnips) in order to get some marestail and such under control. Thankfully....I have no pigweed issues for a change. I did buy some Imox to give that a try.....but just got it the other day and have not applied any. I've got to be gone for a week or so due to other things going on......or I believe I would nuke a few areas to get some good brasica plots established. As it stands now.....I tried to plant brasica into some thin clover......only to have my clover plots explode with growth and out-compete my brassica attempts. Running a bit short on time to do much more. I sure have some nice clover tho....and some other warm season crops mixed in. Maybe I can make a plan after another week goes by. I think I still got a bit of time for brassica.....if the rain would co-operate. I'm really dry here now. Not sure of your plans, but don't spray IMOX where you intend to plant brassicas anytime soon. I'd need to check the label, but there's a pretty good plant back time period for brassicas and some other stuff as well. IMOX did a good job of cleaning up some clover plots for me and the neighbor, but those plots are going to stay in a clover mix pretty much forever.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 4, 2022 20:49:05 GMT -6
I'm somewhat torn as to how much chemical and amendments I want to invest in my food plots. I have sprayed some Cleth a few times and that has been pretty effective for me. At this point I hate to kill beneficial broadleaves that I have planted earlier (Rape / Radish / Turnips) in order to get some marestail and such under control. Thankfully....I have no pigweed issues for a change. I did buy some Imox to give that a try.....but just got it the other day and have not applied any. I've got to be gone for a week or so due to other things going on......or I believe I would nuke a few areas to get some good brasica plots established. As it stands now.....I tried to plant brasica into some thin clover......only to have my clover plots explode with growth and out-compete my brassica attempts. Running a bit short on time to do much more. I sure have some nice clover tho....and some other warm season crops mixed in. Maybe I can make a plan after another week goes by. I think I still got a bit of time for brassica.....if the rain would co-operate. I'm really dry here now. Not sure of your plans, but don't spray IMOX where you intend to plant brassicas anytime soon. I'd need to check the label, but there's a pretty good plant back time period for brassicas and some other stuff as well. IMOX did a good job of cleaning up some clover plots for me and the neighbor, but those plots are going to stay in a clover mix pretty much forever. 10-4. Thanks for that info on Imox. One thing for my place is that.....as a last resort....I always can count on my winter rye to provide a desirable crop for a late season draw. (and an early season need too!). I do think that when I am able.....I will throw some brassica seeds into my clover.....and then mow the clover real short....and possibly multipack to help establish the brasica in a few 1/4 are areas. Then hope for the best. That way I got some clover, brassica and some winter rye working for me going into the deer season. EDIT: ON second thought.....I will drill those seeds into the 1/4 area areas......and then mow real short. For a minute there I forgot about my drill. Grin.
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 5, 2022 4:09:47 GMT -6
My clethodim spraying really knocked back most of the grasses earlier this summer, but they sure came back since then. I've already winterized my ATV sprayer, so I'll either let them go or maybe spot spray a few of the worse areas. Cleth does a great job on small annual grasses. It also will knock back tough perennial grasses, but they oftentimes come back from the roots/sod. I'm going to do a couple rounds of cleth on new brassica plots and possibly another shot on clover plots before I winterize the big sprayer. I do need to switch from herbicide sprayer to orchard sprayer before next week. Gonna hit the fruit trees one more time. do you have enough time to spray before fruit harvest?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 5, 2022 6:17:07 GMT -6
Cleth does a great job on small annual grasses. It also will knock back tough perennial grasses, but they oftentimes come back from the roots/sod. I'm going to do a couple rounds of cleth on new brassica plots and possibly another shot on clover plots before I winterize the big sprayer. I do need to switch from herbicide sprayer to orchard sprayer before next week. Gonna hit the fruit trees one more time. do you have enough time to spray before fruit harvest? Yep. Imidan has a 7 day pre-harvest interval and Indar is 14. You can spray Captan the same day if you want (not sure why you would). The spreader/sticker adds protection in the field, but a couple inches of rain removes most of that as well. Washing before eating takes care of that. The vast majority of my fruit won't be ripe until mid-September anyway.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 5, 2022 9:48:45 GMT -6
I had most of a 40 lb. bag of pell gypsum in the garage that didn't get spread on the garden this spring. I just put that down on the thickest areas of sedge. I plan to put down another 100+lbs of gypsum and maybe twice that in pell lime yet this summer/early fall. Going to spread a shitton of clover seed today/this weekend and then we'll see what next year brings.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2022 19:30:33 GMT -6
Decided to flail mow some of my clover plots where the marestail has become somewhat thick. I've been dry for a few weeks now......and have no moisture in my sand at this point.......so it's a bit hard to top that clover. Depending on some rain this weekend to resolve my issue with mowing. The dry weather has me out of sync with my original plans.
Gonna have to bob and weave a bit later this month......but it is what it is. Hopefully some fall rains will resolve the summer dry spell.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 5, 2022 19:47:05 GMT -6
Decided to flail mow some of my clover plots where the marestail has become somewhat thick. I've been dry for a few weeks now......and have no moisture in my sand at this point.......so it's a bit hard to top that clover. Depending on some rain this weekend to resolve my issue with mowing. The dry weather has me out of sync with my original plans. Gonna have to bob and weave a bit later this month......but it is what it is. Hopefully some fall rains will resolve the summer dry spell. Yep. I soaked the garden earlier this week and if it doesn't rain pretty good tonight, I'll be soaking it again tomorrow. Brassica plots aren't doomed yet, but if it doesn't rain soon they will be.
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Post by Foggy on Aug 5, 2022 21:22:52 GMT -6
Decided to flail mow some of my clover plots where the marestail has become somewhat thick. I've been dry for a few weeks now......and have no moisture in my sand at this point.......so it's a bit hard to top that clover. Depending on some rain this weekend to resolve my issue with mowing. The dry weather has me out of sync with my original plans. Gonna have to bob and weave a bit later this month......but it is what it is. Hopefully some fall rains will resolve the summer dry spell. JUst reflecting a bit on what I wrote. The deer around here have never looked so healthy and are enjoying all the great plots that have flourished through most of the summer. I got plentiful deer and a several decent bucks handing about. Several doe / fawn groups. I suppose I just hoped for successful brassica plots going into fall. <-----that is always a crap shoot here. July and August can be brutal here in the sand. Miss one or two rains that pass through.....and you are toast. That is what happened here this summer. Still.....my deer seem fat and happy. I suppose that is what it is all about. . We will snag a few one way or another.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2022 6:23:19 GMT -6
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 6, 2022 6:49:39 GMT -6
Decided to flail mow some of my clover plots where the marestail has become somewhat thick. I've been dry for a few weeks now......and have no moisture in my sand at this point.......so it's a bit hard to top that clover. Depending on some rain this weekend to resolve my issue with mowing. The dry weather has me out of sync with my original plans. Gonna have to bob and weave a bit later this month......but it is what it is. Hopefully some fall rains will resolve the summer dry spell. JUst reflecting a bit on what I wrote. The deer around here have never looked so healthy and are enjoying all the great plots that have flourished through most of the summer. I got plentiful deer and a several decent bucks handing about. Several doe / fawn groups. I suppose I just hoped for successful brassica plots going into fall. <-----that is always a crap shoot here. July and August can be brutal here in the sand. Miss one or two rains that pass through.....and you are toast. That is what happened here this summer. Still.....my deer seem fat and happy. I suppose that is what it is all about. . We will snag a few one way or another. We plant all of these things for deer, but the lived through droughts and other things in the past, probably at lower reproductive rates. Have water levels dropped in your wetland from what they were right after you logged?
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