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Post by Foggy on Aug 6, 2022 6:49:47 GMT -6
holy crap. I'm glad I did not buy a gallon of that stuff. Hard for me to plan a month ahead.....much less a year and a half. .
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Post by Foggy on Aug 6, 2022 6:52:45 GMT -6
JUst reflecting a bit on what I wrote. The deer around here have never looked so healthy and are enjoying all the great plots that have flourished through most of the summer. I got plentiful deer and a several decent bucks handing about. Several doe / fawn groups. I suppose I just hoped for successful brassica plots going into fall. <-----that is always a crap shoot here. July and August can be brutal here in the sand. Miss one or two rains that pass through.....and you are toast. That is what happened here this summer. Still.....my deer seem fat and happy. I suppose that is what it is all about. . We will snag a few one way or another. We plant all of these things for deer, but the lived through droughts and other things in the past, probably at lower reproductive rates. Have water levels dropped in your wetland from what they were right after you logged? Well....the water table was the highest I ever seen this spring......but now it's down to somewhere near normal. Those swamps are quite variable. I would think the uptake in moisture is now similar to what it was prior to logging.
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Post by Sandbur on Aug 6, 2022 7:29:24 GMT -6
We plant all of these things for deer, but the lived through droughts and other things in the past, probably at lower reproductive rates. Have water levels dropped in your wetland from what they were right after you logged? Well....the water table was the highest I ever seen this spring......but now it's down to somewhere near normal. Those swamps are quite variable. I would think the uptake in moisture is now similar to what it was prior to logging. I was going to call it a swamp, but thought I should use proper terminology for a change. They are still swamps to me.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2022 7:46:17 GMT -6
holy crap. I'm glad I did not buy a gallon of that stuff. Hard for me to plan a month ahead.....much less a year and a half. . Yep, IMOX requires long term planning. I'd guess the 18 months is a very conservative estimate, likely based at least partially on what the legal team recommended. I'm sure soil type, rainfall, type of tillage (if any), and application amount all play a large role. That said, I won't use the stuff anywhere except on plots that I intend to keep in a clover/alfalfa/maybe chicory mix for the long haul.
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Post by badgerfowl on Aug 6, 2022 8:21:29 GMT -6
holy crap. I'm glad I did not buy a gallon of that stuff. Hard for me to plan a month ahead.....much less a year and a half. . Yep, IMOX requires long term planning. I'd guess the 18 months is a very conservative estimate, likely based at least partially on what the legal team recommended. I'm sure soil type, rainfall, type of tillage (if any), and application amount all play a large role. That said, I won't use the stuff anywhere except on plots that I intend to keep in a clover/alfalfa/maybe chicory mix for the long haul. Is that a safety issue or residual effect?
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Post by smsmith on Aug 6, 2022 8:40:48 GMT -6
Yep, IMOX requires long term planning. I'd guess the 18 months is a very conservative estimate, likely based at least partially on what the legal team recommended. I'm sure soil type, rainfall, type of tillage (if any), and application amount all play a large role. That said, I won't use the stuff anywhere except on plots that I intend to keep in a clover/alfalfa/maybe chicory mix for the long haul. Is that a safety issue or residual effect? I assume it's a soil residual effect. If you've ever tried planting tomatoes into soil that was treated with 2-4D you know that some herbicides impact some plants for a long time.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 10, 2022 18:15:00 GMT -6
I'm getting sick and tired of sedges. Imox, Basgran, and Sedgehammer all put a dent in the population but to totally kill them it requires multiple doses. Even spot spraying with gly only knocks them back for a period of time. I may have to spend a number of hours with the potato fork next spring. Dig 'em up and toss them in the bush. edit...put some more thought into this plot as I was mowing today. I've hit it with a few hundred lbs. each of lime and gypsum in the past. The plot is right around 1/2 acre. Maybe I'll throw a few more hundred lbs. of each down this fall. I am also going to go ahead and hit it with Imox/Nitrosurf again. I've read various labels (Clearcast, Raptor, Imox, Octivio) and whether you can hit it once or twice a year varies from label to label...even though they are all the same AI. Oh yeah, when I was spot spraying sedges today I bumped a nice little 8 point. He was eating clover. From what I can tell, he's about done with antler growth. Decided to skip the second dose of Imox/Nitrosurf and went with Basagran/Butyrac/Nitrosurf instead. The main goal is to knock the sedges back (again) but whacking some summer germinating broadleaves too won't hurt my feelings. The lesson I've learned on this north forest opening is that you either have to just let nature take its course (mowing alone to keep brush/trees out), or stay on top of what you don't want in your clover/alfalfa mix. More lime and gypsum will also get spread yet this summer/early fall... I got what appears to be a decent kill/suppression of summer germinating broadleaves. Sedges aren't doing "well" but they also aren't dead. Basagran label says to hit sedges again at 4-10 days later. I'm going to hit them with a last shot of Basagran/Nitrosurf(no Butyrac this time) in hopes of terminating as many as possible going into fall. There's plenty of fall panicum popping in the brassica plots here and on the neighbor's. I'll hit those with cleth next week. Then I'm done spraying this chunk of the world with chemicals. Edit...done with this year's war on sedge. Lots of sick looking sedges out there. Hopefully this last shot pushes them over the edge to fully dead. Next year, I'm not going to fool around with Basagran. I'm going straight to Sedgehammer and hitting them as soon as growth starts in spring.
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Post by smsmith on Aug 13, 2022 9:04:28 GMT -6
Hit a couple of my plots and a couple of the neighbor's plots with cleth this morning. Those fall annual grasses sure come on strong out of nowhere it seems. Winterized the big sprayer when I was done. Feels good to be done polluting the world with chemicals for the year.
edit...not sure if anybody gives a shit or not, but figured I'd share. I've been doing a bunch of reading on weed/grass/sedge management. Plenty of conflicting info out there on whether you can tank mix cleth, butyrac, raptor, basagran, etc.
I found an article the other day from the U of WA stating that cleth, butyrac, basagran, and raptor can be tank mixed. The butyrac rate gets cut back to 4-6 oz./acre, the cleth rate gets increased to the max per acre-16 oz, raptor/IMOX/Octivio at 4-8 oz. acre, basagran at 1-2 pints/acre and Nitrosurf at 2-3 pints/acre. The cleth rate gets increased due to antagonism with some of the other herbicides. The butyrac rate gets reduced because of synergism with the other herbicides. (As an aside, I tank mixed a pint of butyrac (a light dose on clover) with 2 pints of Basagran and a pint of surfactant. I didn't expect that dose to knock back some marestail that was 12-20" tall...but it did. It also cleaned up a bunch of summer germinating broadleaves.)
Now, a person might ask why not just go with a light dose of gly in spring instead? You may be at least partially correct. The only issues I've found with that is; you may damage your clover if the rains don't come, gly only burns sedges and some tough broadleaves (plantain, dandelion, curly dock, burdock, thistles) back - it doesn't kill the roots (IME), and there's no soil residual to slow down/prevent more weeds/grasses/sedges from germinating.
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Post by smsmith on Sept 1, 2022 10:10:13 GMT -6
I spread another 120 lbs. of pell gypsum on the sedge plot a bit ago. I think I put down 80 lbs. earlier this summer. If I get to a town with a Menards in the near future I may pick up a few more bags to put down just for kicks. I'll be interested to see if there's any difference in drainage next spring.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 19, 2023 13:44:39 GMT -6
I went back to thistle/weed removal in clover plots for a couple hours today. Bent the hell out of a cheap POS potato fork. I need to get the leaves blown of the plots before throwing more seed down.
I thought I was done with long johns for the spring, but no way was I going to work in upper 20s windchill without them. The gusts are unreal.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 26, 2023 14:17:19 GMT -6
I went back to thistle/weed removal in clover plots for a couple hours today. Bent the hell out of a cheap POS potato fork. I need to get the leaves blown of the plots before throwing more seed down.I thought I was done with long johns for the spring, but no way was I going to work in upper 20s windchill without them. The gusts are unreal. Got that done with the riding mower today. Threw down an alfalfa/clover mix when I had the leaves off. No more heavy frosts in the forecast, but a couple days of rain are. Maybe that'll be enough for decent seed/soil contact. I've got some spots where the moss is moving in next to the woods line. I'm going to try some iron sulfate, but the moss will probably just come back. I was going to pick up some iron sulfate from Ace Hardware in town. I checked on the website, they don't have any. I could get some shipped to the store (for free) and pick it up next week Tuesday. $18/18.5 lb. bag. For kicks I checked Amazon for other prices. I can get a product with the same ingredients delivered to my home for free next week Tuesday for just under $17/20 lb. bag. That's just dumb. I can get the shit delivered to my door for less than I can get it by driving 8 miles one way to town myself. I try to support my local stores, but this order is getting delivered to my door for free...
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Post by honker on May 2, 2023 15:20:04 GMT -6
Gypsum and Lime are costing serious money now. FJB
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Post by smsmith on May 6, 2023 9:05:04 GMT -6
I went back to thistle/weed removal in clover plots for a couple hours today. Bent the hell out of a cheap POS potato fork. I need to get the leaves blown of the plots before throwing more seed down.I thought I was done with long johns for the spring, but no way was I going to work in upper 20s windchill without them. The gusts are unreal. Got that done with the riding mower today. Threw down an alfalfa/clover mix when I had the leaves off. No more heavy frosts in the forecast, but a couple days of rain are. Maybe that'll be enough for decent seed/soil contact. I've got some spots where the moss is moving in next to the woods line. I'm going to try some iron sulfate, but the moss will probably just come back.
I was going to pick up some iron sulfate from Ace Hardware in town. I checked on the website, they don't have any. I could get some shipped to the store (for free) and pick it up next week Tuesday. $18/18.5 lb. bag. For kicks I checked Amazon for other prices. I can get a product with the same ingredients delivered to my home for free next week Tuesday for just under $17/20 lb. bag. That's just dumb. I can get the shit delivered to my door for less than I can get it by driving 8 miles one way to town myself. I try to support my local stores, but this order is getting delivered to my door for free... We're going to find out if iron sulfate kills moss or not. I just spread 20 lbs., now I need it to rain...which means I probably just jinxed getting any rain
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Post by smsmith on May 15, 2023 14:13:35 GMT -6
Iron sulfate definitely kills moss. So that's good to know.
I sprayed around 2.5 acres of clover/alfalfa on the neighbor's place and here today. I hit it all with 5 oz. IMOX, 8 oz. gly, 16 oz. cleth, and 3 pints Nitrosurf per acre. I either smoked everything, or should have some clean(ish) clover.
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Post by honker on May 15, 2023 21:08:42 GMT -6
What’s the recipe for killing what I believe is wild mustard. I forgot to grab a picture, but I will next time I’m up there.
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