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Post by Sandbur on Jun 8, 2022 16:35:23 GMT -6
I remember a thread from long ago where someone dug down about 4 feet and looked at the soil after rye was planted the previous fall. It seems like he had before and after pictures.
I know we discussed it since then.
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Post by Freeborn on Jun 8, 2022 17:40:49 GMT -6
I'm interested in seeing how the soybeans do when drilled into standing winter rye. I think the soybean yield will suffer, but perhaps not. At my place soybeans draw in deer better than anything, but the downside is they don't help build up sandy soil. If you could build up the soil and have the best food around it could be a great combo. Do any of the videos reference actual before and after soil organic matter % when using those no-till plans for a certain number of years? I believe this is the case anywhere soybeans are planted, they are a huge draw that provides very high protein in summer and a very high protein seed into winter. From what I have read they are very healthy for deer as well as being all of the above. You might have better luck with soil temperatures and yield as I would think you have 2+ weeks of spring growing time over our area. A few years ago I had issues with soybeans germinating in lightly tilled rye mostly because of soil temps.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 8, 2022 17:49:38 GMT -6
I'm interested in seeing how the soybeans do when drilled into standing winter rye. I think the soybean yield will suffer, but perhaps not. At my place soybeans draw in deer better than anything, but the downside is they don't help build up sandy soil. If you could build up the soil and have the best food around it could be a great combo. Do any of the videos reference actual before and after soil organic matter % when using those no-till plans for a certain number of years? I believe this is the case anywhere soybeans are planted, they are a huge draw that provides very high protein in summer and a very high protein seed into winter. From what I have read they are very healthy for deer as well as being all of the above. You might have better luck with soil temperatures and yield as I would think you have 2+ weeks of spring growing time over our area. A few years ago I had issues with soybeans germinating in lightly tilled rye mostly because of soil temps. That's what I was thinking about for real farmers who want yield. A heavy rye crop might not let soils warm fast enough in northern areas.
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Post by Freeborn on Jun 9, 2022 8:15:05 GMT -6
I believe this is the case anywhere soybeans are planted, they are a huge draw that provides very high protein in summer and a very high protein seed into winter. From what I have read they are very healthy for deer as well as being all of the above. You might have better luck with soil temperatures and yield as I would think you have 2+ weeks of spring growing time over our area. A few years ago I had issues with soybeans germinating in lightly tilled rye mostly because of soil temps. That's what I was thinking about for real farmers who want yield. A heavy rye crop might not let soils warm fast enough in northern areas. One other item that makes this rotation problematic for soybean planters is getting rye to germinate in the fall. If you were in your normal rotation you would have yellow beans in a bed of rye thatch in the fall. Those of us who broadcast rye know you need to have very good seed to soil contact for rye/wheat/oats etc. to germinate when broadcasting. I would think having a bed of rye thatch would greatly reduce the germination rate of the broadcast rye and would effectively stop the cycle you are trying to achieve. Not certain but seems problematic and could lead to inconsistent results.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 9, 2022 8:28:31 GMT -6
That's what I was thinking about for real farmers who want yield. A heavy rye crop might not let soils warm fast enough in northern areas. One other item that makes this rotation problematic for soybean planters is getting rye to germinate in the fall. If you were in your normal rotation you would have yellow beans in a bed of rye thatch in the fall. Those of us who broadcast rye know you need to have very good seed to soil contact for rye/wheat/oats etc. to germinate when broadcasting. I would think having a bed of rye thatch would greatly reduce the germination rate of the broadcast rye and would effectively stop the cycle you are trying to achieve. Not certain but seems problematic and could lead to inconsistent results. Drill Baby.....Drill.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 9, 2022 8:38:21 GMT -6
One other item that makes this rotation problematic for soybean planters is getting rye to germinate in the fall. If you were in your normal rotation you would have yellow beans in a bed of rye thatch in the fall. Those of us who broadcast rye know you need to have very good seed to soil contact for rye/wheat/oats etc. to germinate when broadcasting. I would think having a bed of rye thatch would greatly reduce the germination rate of the broadcast rye and would effectively stop the cycle you are trying to achieve. Not certain but seems problematic and could lead to inconsistent results. Drill Baby.....Drill. Here is a video from last night
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Post by Reagan on Jun 9, 2022 9:18:45 GMT -6
Drilling isn’t feasible for the small plotter doing small acreage, no tractor and no drill.
Throw and mow baby mow!
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Post by badgerfowl on Jun 9, 2022 10:37:07 GMT -6
Yup, I have no interest in drilling (only plot 1.5 acres and a good chunk is perennial clover. My rotational acreage is maybe 2/3 acre. I till but still just broadcast seed and pack now that I have a cultipacker. I also have no interest in corn/beans. I leave that to the professionals. I'm basically just following LC's mix rotation in our field plot now. Not to a T, but it's close enough. %'s are different and what seed I use is different but same concept. With a tractor tiller, atv spreader and packer, it works for me. I also don't have sandy soil issues or wet ground issues. I still do throw and mow in spots I can't get tillage equipment into. But I also have an atv drag harrow to at least scratch the soil and somewhat cover some seed. Just gotta find what works for you and have at it.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 9, 2022 10:55:54 GMT -6
Drilling isn’t feasible for the small plotter doing small acreage, no tractor and no drill. Throw and mow baby mow! What are you?....some kinda Caveman or something? Grin. I do understand the throw and mow approach.....and that has worked for a long time. You do gotta go with what you got....and there are many ways to skin a cat. I have this plate....that I will use with my front end loader to attach 1. landscape rake to push debris from log landings. 2. Move Trailers. 3. Mount my crimper on the front of the tractor (or a culitpacker). 4. Use with a seeder / fertilizer spreader on the loader....high above any standing crop.....and follow with a cultipacker. Food for thought.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 9, 2022 14:37:49 GMT -6
Yup, I have no interest in drilling (only plot 1.5 acres and a good chunk is perennial clover. My rotational acreage is maybe 2/3 acre. I till but still just broadcast seed and pack now that I have a cultipacker. I also have no interest in corn/beans. I leave that to the professionals. I'm basically just following LC's mix rotation in our field plot now. Not to a T, but it's close enough. %'s are different and what seed I use is different but same concept. With a tractor tiller, atv spreader and packer, it works for me. I also don't have sandy soil issues or wet ground issues. I still do throw and mow in spots I can't get tillage equipment into. But I also have an atv drag harrow to at least scratch the soil and somewhat cover some seed. Just gotta find what works for you and have at it.Yep. I enjoy seeing what others do and sometimes get envious of guys with the right land for corn and beans. That said, the longer I plot and deer hunt the more I plant and grow clover and brassicas. I have deer in my clover during firearm season (the buck I shot last deer followed a doe right to and through a clover plot) so it serves as a draw for me. I still plant some brassicas mainly to try and give the deer some late season chow. I can envision the day when I go to all clover/alfalfa/chicory.
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Post by benmnwi on Jun 9, 2022 14:51:10 GMT -6
My clover plot was starting to get choked out by grasses, so I sprayed some clethodim while I had the sprayer on the ATV for my corn/beans. While spraying clethodim I just about ran over a fawn that was bedded in the tall clover/grass combo. I think I actually sprayed the thing and it ran out of there very quickly. I was really impressed by the size and speed of that fawn for early June.
I have a really nice looking nearby patch of winter rye that I'm pretty sure holds some fawns as well, so I think I'll leave that alone for another month until I turn that into a fall plot.
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Post by badgerfowl on Jun 9, 2022 15:28:17 GMT -6
Yup, I have no interest in drilling (only plot 1.5 acres and a good chunk is perennial clover. My rotational acreage is maybe 2/3 acre. I till but still just broadcast seed and pack now that I have a cultipacker. I also have no interest in corn/beans. I leave that to the professionals. I'm basically just following LC's mix rotation in our field plot now. Not to a T, but it's close enough. %'s are different and what seed I use is different but same concept. With a tractor tiller, atv spreader and packer, it works for me. I also don't have sandy soil issues or wet ground issues. I still do throw and mow in spots I can't get tillage equipment into. But I also have an atv drag harrow to at least scratch the soil and somewhat cover some seed. Just gotta find what works for you and have at it.Yep. I enjoy seeing what others do and sometimes get envious of guys with the right land for corn and beans. That said, the longer I plot and deer hunt the more I plant and grow clover and brassicas. I have deer in my clover during firearm season (the buck I shot last deer followed a doe right to and through a clover plot) so it serves as a draw for me. I still plant some brassicas mainly to try and give the deer some late season chow. I can envision the day when I go to all clover/alfalfa/chicory. Yep, I like seeing the different ways guys go about providing food for the deer. Funny thing is guys w/ no equipment wish they had equipment, guys with equipment wish they had bigger equipment. For years I just had a backpack sprayer and hand seeder. It worked but I never did large areas. It was mainly just trying something and seeing what did and didn't work. Now I've finally got some bigger equipment and can do bigger plots no problem but I'm limited by area. And the hard to reach areas I'm basically turning into perennial clover after an initial brassica planting. I've got the LC mix rotation in my 1 acre field plot and I'll keep doing that. It's more 1/3 of everything vs his 10/45/45 ratio. I watched them hammer the WR/clover combo last fall until the rut. I still haven't shot a buck eating in a plot but it keeps the does around and in turn the bucks when it's go time. Plus I just enjoy the planting and watching the deer eat it. And with cell cams I can "hunt" even when I'm working. Win win.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 9, 2022 15:56:46 GMT -6
My clover plot was starting to get choked out by grasses, so I sprayed some clethodim while I had the sprayer on the ATV for my corn/beans. While spraying clethodim I just about ran over a fawn that was bedded in the tall clover/grass combo. I think I actually sprayed the thing and it ran out of there very quickly. I was really impressed by the size and speed of that fawn for early June. I have a really nice looking nearby patch of winter rye that I'm pretty sure holds some fawns as well, so I think I'll leave that alone for another month until I turn that into a fall plot. We lost one fawn when they hay was cut. I suspect the young deer standing under the crab apple tree yesterday, was the mom. I guess two other dairyman have two fawns each. It happens. Also got one turkey nest!
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 9, 2022 15:58:53 GMT -6
Yep. I enjoy seeing what others do and sometimes get envious of guys with the right land for corn and beans. That said, the longer I plot and deer hunt the more I plant and grow clover and brassicas. I have deer in my clover during firearm season (the buck I shot last deer followed a doe right to and through a clover plot) so it serves as a draw for me. I still plant some brassicas mainly to try and give the deer some late season chow. I can envision the day when I go to all clover/alfalfa/chicory. Yep, I like seeing the different ways guys go about providing food for the deer. Funny thing is guys w/ no equipment wish they had equipment, guys with equipment wish they had bigger equipment. For years I just had a backpack sprayer and hand seeder. It worked but I never did large areas. It was mainly just trying something and seeing what did and didn't work. Now I've finally got some bigger equipment and can do bigger plots no problem but I'm limited by area. And the hard to reach areas I'm basically turning into perennial clover after an initial brassica planting. I've got the LC mix rotation in my 1 acre field plot and I'll keep doing that. It's more 1/3 of everything vs his 10/45/45 ratio. I watched them hammer the WR/clover combo last fall until the rut. I still haven't shot a buck eating in a plot but it keeps the does around and in turn the bucks when it's go time. Plus I just enjoy the planting and watching the deer eat it. And with cell cams I can "hunt" even when I'm working. Win win. I’ve been through smaller equipment and then wanting bigger equipment. Now I prefer less equipment and no longer want more. I just don’t want to do the foodplotting anymore.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 9, 2022 17:40:33 GMT -6
Yep. I enjoy seeing what others do and sometimes get envious of guys with the right land for corn and beans. That said, the longer I plot and deer hunt the more I plant and grow clover and brassicas. I have deer in my clover during firearm season (the buck I shot last deer followed a doe right to and through a clover plot) so it serves as a draw for me. I still plant some brassicas mainly to try and give the deer some late season chow. I can envision the day when I go to all clover/alfalfa/chicory. Yep, I like seeing the different ways guys go about providing food for the deer. Funny thing is guys w/ no equipment wish they had equipment, guys with equipment wish they had bigger equipment. For years I just had a backpack sprayer and hand seeder. It worked but I never did large areas. It was mainly just trying something and seeing what did and didn't work. Now I've finally got some bigger equipment and can do bigger plots no problem but I'm limited by area. And the hard to reach areas I'm basically turning into perennial clover after an initial brassica planting. I've got the LC mix rotation in my 1 acre field plot and I'll keep doing that. It's more 1/3 of everything vs his 10/45/45 ratio. I watched them hammer the WR/clover combo last fall until the rut. I still haven't shot a buck eating in a plot but it keeps the does around and in turn the bucks when it's go time. Plus I just enjoy the planting and watching the deer eat it. And with cell cams I can "hunt" even when I'm working. Win win. Bingo. My plan is to keep as many does hanging around as I can.
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