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MN CWD
Jun 12, 2017 11:31:23 GMT -6
Post by sd51555 on Jun 12, 2017 11:31:23 GMT -6
Well shit...
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MN CWD
Jun 12, 2017 12:01:05 GMT -6
Post by Sandbur on Jun 12, 2017 12:01:05 GMT -6
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MN CWD
Jun 17, 2017 7:05:22 GMT -6
Post by sd51555 on Jun 17, 2017 7:05:22 GMT -6
I have a question. I read the Wisconsin CWD article from a week ago in the ODN. It was stated that one of these animals they were feeding contracted CWD from eating meat from an infected deer.
Is this the first time it's been found CWD can now be transmitted via meat? Has the old science of "You're ok so long as you don't eat the brain and spinal cord" out the window now?
That whole write up is really beginning to bother me. I can't help but be concerned on one hand, yet completely hold up the bullshit flag because people in the western states have been eating deer from CWD areas that are known to be decades old. I remember Brooks saying he'd talked to western Nebraska guys who don't give a shit about CWD. When you hold up that article to scientific scrutiny, it smells like shit. Perhaps there is a more complete explanation elsewhere, but the first thing that came to my mind was a shit load of questions about their method.
Were the monkey separated? Could they make out between cages? Did they throw their shit at each other? I have this feeling the whitetail deer hunt is being killed off with the same loose bullshit scientific method used to push global warming.
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MN CWD
Jun 17, 2017 7:07:57 GMT -6
Post by sd51555 on Jun 17, 2017 7:07:57 GMT -6
I also found an article from the black hills from last fall where a bunch of deer were harvested and donated to the food shelf in Rapid City. It was a tweeted article from the Rapid City Journal. I asked them if those deer were tested for CWD before they were feed to the poor. Crickets...
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Post by kl9 on Jun 17, 2017 7:12:34 GMT -6
One thing I read in all of Terry's mombojumbo that stuck with me was that the incubation period for prion diseases in humans can be up to several decades... I would suspect it would've surfaced by now given the amount of time CWD has been present out west, but something to think about. I say this in regards to your eating deer meat comment
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Post by smsmith on Jun 17, 2017 7:54:26 GMT -6
I have a question. I read the Wisconsin CWD article from a week ago in the ODN. It was stated that one of these animals they were feeding contracted CWD from eating meat from an infected deer. Is this the first time it's been found CWD can now be transmitted via meat? Has the old science of "You're ok so long as you don't eat the brain and spinal cord" out the window now?
That whole write up is really beginning to bother me. I can't help but be concerned on one hand, yet completely hold up the bullshit flag because people in the western states have been eating deer from CWD areas that are known to be decades old. I remember Brooks saying he'd talked to western Nebraska guys who don't give a shit about CWD. When you hold up that article to scientific scrutiny, it smells like shit. Perhaps there is a more complete explanation elsewhere, but the first thing that came to my mind was a shit load of questions about their method. Were the monkey separated? Could they make out between cages? Did they throw their shit at each other? I have this feeling the whitetail deer hunt is being killed off with the same loose bullshit scientific method used to push global warming. Yes, it's been known for a number of years (7-8+?) that prions are found in the meat as well as the internal organs, brain and spinal cord. There is a higher concentration of prions in the organs/brain/spinal cord however. CWD is no joke. When/if it is shown that humans can contract the disease, the days of the cervids will be over.
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MN CWD
Jun 17, 2017 10:31:45 GMT -6
Post by batman on Jun 17, 2017 10:31:45 GMT -6
Captive cervid industry would be the ones to identify and breed the lines that solve any issues that may arise if there existed a solution.
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MN CWD
Jun 17, 2017 10:37:48 GMT -6
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Post by mnfish on Jun 17, 2017 10:37:48 GMT -6
Bat- when those lines take hold which will be mother natures way (big believer of Darwin)....will those deer be immune to the effects of cwd or will the deer not contrat cwd?
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2017 10:45:32 GMT -6
Bat- when those lines take hold which will be mother natures way (big believer of Darwin)....will those deer be immune to the effects of cwd or will the deer not contrat cwd? I am not sure if future identified resistant or (immune) animals would still carry and shed the prions. Somebody told me a Texas study showed feral hogs can carry and spread the prion. CWD is not clinical unless it is obex positive (brain stem). DNR tests lymph nodes which are a filter. Resistant animals still shed the prions from my understanding. But what is fact with CWD today is bogus next year. None of what we read is definitive. But it may be loaded with agenda.
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Post by kl9 on Jun 17, 2017 11:02:58 GMT -6
I don't think a truly resistant animal has been found. Only some that have extended incubation periods that would allow them to teach 5,6,7+ years old
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MN CWD
Jun 17, 2017 11:10:40 GMT -6
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Post by batman on Jun 17, 2017 11:10:40 GMT -6
I don't think a truly resistant animal has been found. Only some that have extended incubation periods that would allow them to teach 5,6,7+ years old In a 10-year experiment Schumaker took part in, Wyoming Game and Fish captured a band of 39 elk in Jackson Hole in 2002, relocated them to a southeast Wyoming facility, and exposed them to CWD. In 10 years, all the other elk in the group contracted CWD from infected pens and withered away at the Tom Thorne/Beth Williams Wildlife Research Center at Sybille. But not the lone LL elk. Her ear tag is No. 12, but researchers nicknamed her Lucky. She’s had a calf, and doesn’t look sick or test positive for CWD. Lucky, the 600 pound elk, has not caught CWD despite 13 years of exposure to the disease in a Game and Fish Department wildlife lab. Her rare genotype may make her resistant to the disease, possibly even immune. (Terry Kreeger/Wyoming Game and Fish Department) Lucky, the 600 pound elk, has not caught CWD despite 13 years of exposure to the disease in a Game and Fish Department wildlife lab. Her rare genotype may make her resistant to the disease, possibly even immune. (Terry Kreeger/Wyoming Game and Fish Department) “She is, if anything, overweight,” Schumaker said. “My understanding is that she’s kind of a pill from the caretakers’ perspective. She stands up for herself.” Is Lucky the 600 lb. elk immune to CWD? Will Lucky’s LL cousins become the mothers of all future Wyoming elk once CWD runs its course? Does the LL genotype also carry some disadvantage scientists don’t know about? Even once Lucky dies and is autopsied, Schumaker said, researchers won’t know for sure whether she is immune. A new experiment would be necessary to determine that.
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Post by kl9 on Jun 17, 2017 12:00:46 GMT -6
I don't think a truly resistant animal has been found. Only some that have extended incubation periods that would allow them to teach 5,6,7+ years old In a 10-year experiment Schumaker took part in, Wyoming Game and Fish captured a band of 39 elk in Jackson Hole in 2002, relocated them to a southeast Wyoming facility, and exposed them to CWD. In 10 years, all the other elk in the group contracted CWD from infected pens and withered away at the Tom Thorne/Beth Williams Wildlife Research Center at Sybille. But not the lone LL elk. Her ear tag is No. 12, but researchers nicknamed her Lucky. She’s had a calf, and doesn’t look sick or test positive for CWD. Lucky, the 600 pound elk, has not caught CWD despite 13 years of exposure to the disease in a Game and Fish Department wildlife lab. Her rare genotype may make her resistant to the disease, possibly even immune. (Terry Kreeger/Wyoming Game and Fish Department) Lucky, the 600 pound elk, has not caught CWD despite 13 years of exposure to the disease in a Game and Fish Department wildlife lab. Her rare genotype may make her resistant to the disease, possibly even immune. (Terry Kreeger/Wyoming Game and Fish Department) “She is, if anything, overweight,” Schumaker said. “My understanding is that she’s kind of a pill from the caretakers’ perspective. She stands up for herself.” Is Lucky the 600 lb. elk immune to CWD? Will Lucky’s LL cousins become the mothers of all future Wyoming elk once CWD runs its course? Does the LL genotype also carry some disadvantage scientists don’t know about? Even once Lucky dies and is autopsied, Schumaker said, researchers won’t know for sure whether she is immune. A new experiment would be necessary to determine that. Pretty cool.
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MN CWD
Jun 18, 2017 8:10:03 GMT -6
Post by Sandbur on Jun 18, 2017 8:10:03 GMT -6
A few years ago, I contacted a government vet from Wyoming for a health permit on cattle. I asked him about CWD. He was eating a mule deer buck that he killed that tested positive as he all ready had the sausage made and had eaten some earlier. I don't know if I would do that.
Each person system is different and it may even vary from week to week.
If it hits my area, I will probably tend to shoot and eat younger deer. It would make one think seriously about feeding any venison to younger people.
We had our former pastor die from CJD. We never want to see that type of thing in any of our friends or family.
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MN CWD
Jun 18, 2017 8:55:19 GMT -6
Post by smsmith on Jun 18, 2017 8:55:19 GMT -6
CJD is scary as hell.
I will likely completely stop eating venison if/when CWD levels get as high here as they are at "ground zero" in WI. If a quick, easy and affordable ($20?) test was readily accessible maybe I'd continue eating a deer every 4 or 5 years.
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MN CWD
Jun 18, 2017 9:04:01 GMT -6
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Post by biglakebass on Jun 18, 2017 9:04:01 GMT -6
Cjd?
Yea if cwd comes i am not sure what my mindset will be.
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