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Post by badbrad on Feb 15, 2021 10:21:05 GMT -6
Shoujd a guy buy now in your opininn?
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Post by Catscratch on Feb 15, 2021 10:21:14 GMT -6
Just so you guys know fertilizer has been creeping up about $4 per bag from this time last year. Lame. Any reason? Isn't fertilizer price directly related to fuel prices through production?
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 15, 2021 10:27:50 GMT -6
If you’re in tater country, you damn sandy dawg. Not necessary true. My land is in tater country and has some really good soil.
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Post by benmnwi on Feb 15, 2021 12:13:24 GMT -6
I'll have to look on my soil tests to see if it lists CEC. My cropland has patches with organic matter under 1% and areas that are around 2%. I'm trying to both shoot deer and build up my soil, so I alternate between soybeans and brassicas. Nothing draws in deer in my area like soybeans, but they don't build organic matter so that's why I plant brassicas as well. My brassica strip is still being hit right now and I just used the cheap dwarf essex rape seed.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 15, 2021 12:16:21 GMT -6
I'll have to look on my soil tests to see if it lists CEC. My cropland has patches with organic matter under 1% and areas that are around 2%. I'm trying to both shoot deer and build up my soil, so I alternate between soybeans and brassicas. Nothing draws in deer in my area like soybeans, but they don't build organic matter so that's why I plant brassicas as well. My brassica strip is still being hit right now and I just used the cheap dwarf essex rape seed. Good that you are trying to build up your OM. But I got news for you, you may be dead before you see any major chance in OM on sandy soil.
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Post by benmnwi on Feb 15, 2021 12:19:29 GMT -6
I'll have to look on my soil tests to see if it lists CEC. My cropland has patches with organic matter under 1% and areas that are around 2%. I'm trying to both shoot deer and build up my soil, so I alternate between soybeans and brassicas. Nothing draws in deer in my area like soybeans, but they don't build organic matter so that's why I plant brassicas as well. My brassica strip is still being hit right now and I just used the cheap dwarf essex rape seed. Good that you are trying to build up your OM. But I got news for you, you may be dead before you see any major chance in OM on sandy soil. My average organic matter is up .2% in the 8 years that we have been here, so I'm heading in the right direction. I'll have Iowa-like black dirt in 173 short years.
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Post by Bob on Feb 15, 2021 12:30:42 GMT -6
I just want to ask this question. Why all the "exotic" suggestions on planting? Will something more typical like brassicas not work in your guys opinion? Are we getting too cute with planting all kinds of nontypical stuff? I don't know just asking. Fail safes. You don't need to be as exotic as I've suggested, but I would lean towards dry/drought tolerant stuff. I manage to what I think is the most common threat that will fail my plot. When I hear sand/tots/irrigation I jump to dry. From there, my primary objective would be to never break that soil, and always keep the sun off that sand. Sand ain't a bad growing medium. I prefer it over clay any day of the week.
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Post by benmnwi on Feb 15, 2021 12:45:26 GMT -6
Brad - what's the organic matter % on your new ground? On my place anything under 1% frequently gets baked in a July/August dry spell, but areas around 2% can withstand a much longer dry drought and generally do pretty well.
I think a little trial and error will tell you what works and doesn't on your place, but I wouldn't be afraid to try both soybeans and brassicas. If it's by your house you could also plant a strip of pumpkins just to watch them grow. Pumpkins are a hit with my kids and the neighborhood deer.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 15, 2021 12:49:07 GMT -6
Sandy is subjective. Art has some sandy soil. Tom has some sandy soil. Juneau County, WI where my folks used to live had beach sand...literally. It is actually nuch finer/nicer sand than the shit on the beaches here I've been walking the last few days.
Brad, if you're not far from the Hwy. 51 corridor near Stevens Point...you've got some pretty light sand. Somewhere around there the WI DOT used to have a test strip along both sides of the highway to stop wind erosion. They had planted a number of different things. No idea what the results were.
On sand like my folks had...there is no reason to waste time trying to grow white clover, alfalfa, or brassicas. In high rainfall years I'd get some decent red clover and chicory in areas protected from the afternoon sun. Full sun was a no no. Oats, winter rye, buckwheat, lablab, soybeans, sunflowers (with timely rains after planting), WGF sorghum, and Korean lespedeza all did okay in good years. In drought years, it didn't matter what was planted. It'd all be crispy and dead by the end of July
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Post by badbrad on Feb 15, 2021 13:08:02 GMT -6
Sandy is subjective. Art has some sandy soil. Tom has some sandy soil. Juneau County, WI where my folks used to live had beach sand...literally. It is actually nuch finer/nicer sand than the shit on the beaches here I've been walking the last few days. Brad, if you're not far from the Hwy. 51 corridor near Stevens Point...you've got some pretty light sand. Somewhere around there the WI DOT used to have a test strip along both sides of the highway to stop wind erosion. They had planted a number of different things. No idea what the results were. On sand like my folks had...there is no reason to waste time trying to grow white clover, alfalfa, or brassicas. In high rainfall years I'd get some decent red clover and chicory in areas protected from the afternoon sun. Full sun was a no no. Oats, winter rye, buckwheat, lablab, soybeans, sunflowers (with timely rains after planting), WGF sorghum, and Korean lespedeza all did okay in good years. In drought years, it didn't matter what was planted. It'd all be crispy and dead by the end of July Stu I am 7 miles south of Point and I can see Hwy 51 from where I am sitting right now.
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Post by badbrad on Feb 15, 2021 13:08:56 GMT -6
I will say that they plant unirrigated corn on the public land and it actually has done well the past two years.
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Post by Tooln on Feb 16, 2021 7:30:55 GMT -6
If I remember right you got this land from the old guy who passed away. I'm guessing it' been in hay for several years and the ground has been neglected and needs to be built back up. Buckwheat is a great soil builder on any ground, it has a about a 11 week maturity. It would be ideal to plant in spring once the soil is warm enough and still give you time for a fall planting. You really don't need brassicas to open up your soil and more then likely won't do that good in the sandy soil. I'd look at a mix of clover and chicory with WR or oats for a cover. On a side note I bet you wish you had kept your Roth disk now to use at home.
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Post by terrifictom on Feb 16, 2021 7:41:39 GMT -6
If I remember right you got this land from the old guy who passed away. I'm guessing it' been in hay for several years and the ground has been neglected and needs to be built back up. Buckwheat is a great soil builder on any ground, it has a about a 11 week maturity. It would be ideal to plant in spring once the soil is warm enough and still give you time for a fall planting. You really don't need brassicas to open up your soil and more then likely won't do that good in the sandy soil. I'd look at a mix of clover and chicory with WR or oats for a cover. On a side note I bet you wish you had kept your Roth disk now to use at home. I know someone that will have a Roth disc for sale this spring.
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Post by Tooln on Feb 16, 2021 8:04:02 GMT -6
If I remember right you got this land from the old guy who passed away. I'm guessing it' been in hay for several years and the ground has been neglected and needs to be built back up. Buckwheat is a great soil builder on any ground, it has a about a 11 week maturity. It would be ideal to plant in spring once the soil is warm enough and still give you time for a fall planting. You really don't need brassicas to open up your soil and more then likely won't do that good in the sandy soil. I'd look at a mix of clover and chicory with WR or oats for a cover. On a side note I bet you wish you had kept your Roth disk now to use at home. I know someone that will have a Roth disc for sale this spring. Forgot you had one Tom. Keep it in the family so to speak.
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Post by badbrad on Feb 16, 2021 8:08:00 GMT -6
If I remember right you got this land from the old guy who passed away. I'm guessing it' been in hay for several years and the ground has been neglected and needs to be built back up. Buckwheat is a great soil builder on any ground, it has a about a 11 week maturity. It would be ideal to plant in spring once the soil is warm enough and still give you time for a fall planting. You really don't need brassicas to open up your soil and more then likely won't do that good in the sandy soil. I'd look at a mix of clover and chicory with WR or oats for a cover. On a side note I bet you wish you had kept your Roth disk now to use at home. Nah..... I washed my hands with the ATV disc thing I will be using a tiller for the 2 acres here. Depending what I plant will need the tractor here anyway.
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