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Post by smsmith on Feb 16, 2021 8:11:01 GMT -6
FWIW...every time you till sand you destroy OM.
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Post by badbrad on Feb 16, 2021 8:14:43 GMT -6
FWIW...every time you till sand you destroy OM. I’m aware. That’s the problem with annuals. Do a perineal mix and that helps out a lot with that. We will live here for about 8-10 years then before selling. Too big of a house once the kids are out of the house. If I concentrate on soil building I’ll probably get it better just about in time to sell. Lol.
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Post by smsmith on Feb 16, 2021 8:30:10 GMT -6
If you wanna go nuts, start reading up on water absorbing crystals and zeolites. At one time I broadcast several hundred lbs. of a few different products on a one acre plot in Juneau County. It would have taken a few more years to say whether it was truly worth it or not, but the difference in soil moisture retention was noticeable.
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Post by badbrad on Feb 16, 2021 8:33:46 GMT -6
If you wanna go nuts, start reading up on water absorbing products. At one time I broadcast several hundred lbs. of a few different products on a one acre plot in Juneau County. It would have taken a few more years to say whether it was truly worth it or not, but the difference in soil moisture retention was noticeable. I don't think I want to go nuts here. This is just for fun to watch deer and kill some. Our 80 will still be our primary hunting spot for bucks ( I think). If the kids want to run around back there and stink up the woods I'm not going to stop them. Will be nice to climb in a tree any night I feel like it here and actually have a chance to see deer. And I really like doing the tilling, fertilizer and planting. I enjoy it.
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Post by Bob on Feb 16, 2021 9:30:45 GMT -6
If I remember right you got this land from the old guy who passed away. I'm guessing it' been in hay for several years and the ground has been neglected and needs to be built back up. Buckwheat is a great soil builder on any ground, it has a about a 11 week maturity. It would be ideal to plant in spring once the soil is warm enough and still give you time for a fall planting. You really don't need brassicas to open up your soil and more then likely won't do that good in the sandy soil. I'd look at a mix of clover and chicory with WR or oats for a cover. On a side note I bet you wish you had kept your Roth disk now to use at home.
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Post by wiscwhip on Feb 17, 2021 20:27:50 GMT -6
FWIW...every time you till sand you destroy OM. Fact!
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Post by honker on Feb 19, 2021 12:19:05 GMT -6
1.5 acres ? Will never have a chance unless fenced ? Plant 3 bags of beans on your 1.5 acres. If it gets wiped out early broadcast 10 lbs of brassicas in mid June. If they get wiped out broadcast 12lbs of clover in late august. Always listen to Mo. That’s the recipe that I went with last year that produced this plot. What’s the best thing to follow up with in this plot this spring? Straight back into beans again? oats or buckwheat early spring?
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 20, 2021 4:49:05 GMT -6
Plant 3 bags of beans on your 1.5 acres. If it gets wiped out early broadcast 10 lbs of brassicas in mid June. If they get wiped out broadcast 12lbs of clover in late august. Always listen to Mo. That’s the recipe that I went with last year that produced this plot. What’s the best thing to follow up with in this plot this spring? Straight back into beans again? oats or buckwheat early spring? Don’t listen to me all the time, you will end up disappointed as my wife has more then once. But with that said. I would try 2 bu of oats per acre worked in the ground with crimson clover. Then top seed 6lbs/acre of Ladino clover and pray for rain. Then in mid to end of June over seed with 4lbs/acre of rape seed. Let the oats mature and leave stand to help shade what’s coming underneath. I like this for deer, turkey, pheasant, grouse, bees, you may catch a bear in there as well. Good luck.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 20, 2021 4:59:01 GMT -6
Always listen to Mo. That’s the recipe that I went with last year that produced this plot. What’s the best thing to follow up with in this plot this spring? Straight back into beans again? oats or buckwheat early spring? Don’t listen to me all the time, you will end up disappointed as my wife has more then once. But with that said. I would try 2 bu of oats per acre worked in the ground with crimson clover. Then top seed 6lbs/acre of Ladino clover and pray for rain. Then in mid to end of June over seed with 4lbs/acre of rape seed. Let the oats mature and leave stand to help shade what’s coming underneath. I like this for deer, turkey, pheasant, grouse, bees, you may catch a bear in there as well. Good luck. My brother in law has had deer move into those standing oats in late summer and fall. They even were bedded out there as it was a remote location. I think they like the oat grain at a certain stage of maturity and also the regrowth from dropped seeds. The standing oats also gives some frost protection to new growth underneath. He is on heavy soil.
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Post by MoBuckChaser on Feb 20, 2021 5:03:24 GMT -6
Don’t listen to me all the time, you will end up disappointed as my wife has more then once. But with that said. I would try 2 bu of oats per acre worked in the ground with crimson clover. Then top seed 6lbs/acre of Ladino clover and pray for rain. Then in mid to end of June over seed with 4lbs/acre of rape seed. Let the oats mature and leave stand to help shade what’s coming underneath. I like this for deer, turkey, pheasant, grouse, bees, you may catch a bear in there as well. Good luck. My brother in law has had deer move into those standing oats in late summer and fall. They even were bedded out there as it was a remote location. I think they like the oat grain at a certain stage of maturity and also the regrowth from dropped seeds. The standing oats also gives some frost protection to new growth underneath. He is on heavy soil. One of the best plots I seen was standing oats on wet ground that could not be harvested. Volunteer alsike and red clover started growing underneath as well as some ragweed. It was one of the best by accident mn plots I have ever seen for deer.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 20, 2021 5:46:57 GMT -6
My brother in law has had deer move into those standing oats in late summer and fall. They even were bedded out there as it was a remote location. I think they like the oat grain at a certain stage of maturity and also the regrowth from dropped seeds. The standing oats also gives some frost protection to new growth underneath. He is on heavy soil. One of the best plots I seen was standing oats on wet ground that could not be harvested. Volunteer alsike and red clover started growing underneath as well as some ragweed. It was one of the best by accident mn plots I have ever seen for deer. That is what happened with my in laws. I don’t know how much clover regrew, but the oats did.
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Post by badgerfowl on Feb 20, 2021 7:02:26 GMT -6
I’m ready to unveil the answer. Work it up/spray it this spring. Then plant mung beans, cowpeas, flax, barley, A forage sorghum, buckwheat, and sunflowers. August 15th, blow on a Ladino, New Zealand, fixation blend of clover. Then a cereal blend that is half wheat, half rye, half forage oats. Lots of chicory too. Mow it all down. Last step is profit. Half wheat, half rye, half forage oats? That must be some of that flat earth math.
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Post by Sandbur on Feb 20, 2021 7:24:57 GMT -6
I’m ready to unveil the answer. Work it up/spray it this spring. Then plant mung beans, cowpeas, flax, barley, A forage sorghum, buckwheat, and sunflowers. August 15th, blow on a Ladino, New Zealand, fixation blend of clover. Then a cereal blend that is half wheat, half rye, half forage oats. Lots of chicory too. Mow it all down. Last step is profit. Half wheat, half rye, half forage oats? That must be some of that flat earth math. That is vote counting math.
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Post by Bob on Feb 20, 2021 9:14:07 GMT -6
I’m ready to unveil the answer. Work it up/spray it this spring. Then plant mung beans, cowpeas, flax, barley, A forage sorghum, buckwheat, and sunflowers. August 15th, blow on a Ladino, New Zealand, fixation blend of clover. Then a cereal blend that is half wheat, half rye, half forage oats. Lots of chicory too. Mow it all down. Last step is profit. Half wheat, half rye, half forage oats? That must be some of that flat earth math. You should see how many half rates went into the hoog plot last summer. That may have pushed 12.
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Post by Tooln on Feb 28, 2021 11:12:26 GMT -6
Brad Have you made any decisions yet what your going with?
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