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Post by wklman on Apr 27, 2021 14:21:17 GMT -6
I don't like planting bare root but they're a lot easier to maintain then plugs. Seems I've got to baby the shit out of the plugs to get them going the first 4 years while the bare root take off after a year or so. For survivability I'll take bare root all day long.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 27, 2021 14:24:49 GMT -6
I don't like planting bare root but they're a lot easier to maintain then plugs. Seems I've got to baby the shit out of the plugs to get them going the first 4 years while the bare root take off after a year or so. For survivability I'll take bare root all day long. That's interesting. I've had about the opposite results. Last year I planted 300 bareroot Ponderosa pines and if there's a dozen alive out there I'd be surprised. I also planted 50 or so plugs from Univ. of ID and almost all of them survived. Granted, it was dry last year at planting time and it stayed that way for a few weeks.
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Post by badgerfowl on Apr 27, 2021 14:28:49 GMT -6
I didn't do anything to my plugs. They survived when planted in the correct location, ie, not in full shade in the woods or being inundated for long periods (although I knew that was highly likely going in, river bottom place).
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Post by wklman on Apr 27, 2021 15:57:50 GMT -6
I don't like planting bare root but they're a lot easier to maintain then plugs. Seems I've got to baby the shit out of the plugs to get them going the first 4 years while the bare root take off after a year or so. For survivability I'll take bare root all day long. That's interesting. I've had about the opposite results. Last year I planted 300 bareroot Ponderosa pines and if there's a dozen alive out there I'd be surprised. I also planted 50 or so plugs from Univ. of ID and almost all of them survived. Granted, it was dry last year at planting time and it stayed that way for a few weeks. The best bare roots I've had were the bigger 2+2 improved varieties. Both red and white pines took right off. I find a lot of the plugs get choked out and die the first year. But that's just my experience in Bertha.
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Post by Tooln on Apr 27, 2021 15:58:51 GMT -6
What I like about bare root vs plugs is the use of root gel. Sure you can use it on both but I think it does better with bare root.
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Post by smsmith on Apr 27, 2021 19:19:35 GMT -6
What I like about bare root vs plugs is the use of root gel. Sure you can use it on both but I think it does better with bare root. Ya, that root gel has saved me in the past with bareroot trees. Not last year though. To be honest, I didn't miss using the slippery shit when planting plugs. I bought 2, 5 lb. jugs of the stuff back when I was still planting in Juneau County. I still have most of one jug left.
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Post by mnfish on Apr 27, 2021 19:31:25 GMT -6
I have moved a lot of soil in the reconstruction of our place. Letting the soils settle but wondering....which is better fall or spring planting for conifers?
Transplanting 10-16" red cedars and planting potted black, white spruce. Heavy to lighter soils
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Post by smsmith on Apr 27, 2021 19:34:28 GMT -6
Spring planting is generally recommended for bareroot stock in zone 5a or lower. You can plant potted or b/b stock most anytime of the year as long as you can keep it watered.
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Post by gsquared23 on Apr 27, 2021 20:28:08 GMT -6
I don’t enjoy the planting process outside of fruit trees, but I hate looking around and seeing mostly invasives more. Evergreen planting of any kind has been a waste of time for me, there are zero around and the dumb@$$ deer will plow through a cage to get to one to rub it. Shrub and oak plantings have done much better, and I get about a second or two of joy checking one out that is doing well. That’s more than a lefty gets in a whole month.
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Post by leexrayshady on Apr 27, 2021 21:51:33 GMT -6
Stu--There is a guy from Villard that can get container spruce for $4 each. Good size,nice trees, and easy to plant. We did 36 in less than an hour. I think he will have them again next year, where he gets them--not sure? Villard is probably 35-40 miles from you? Yes me too that's only 10 minutes from my house
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 28, 2021 3:43:19 GMT -6
I don’t enjoy the planting process outside of fruit trees, but I hate looking around and seeing mostly invasives more. Evergreen planting of any kind has been a waste of time for me, there are zero around and the dumb@$$ deer will plow through a cage to get to one to rub it. Shrub and oak plantings have done much better, and I get about a second or two of joy checking one out that is doing well. That’s more than a lefty gets in a whole month. The soils must be the difference. I can grow conifers, but my oak success is very low. I quit planting most shrubs. They are too much work for some brush that grows anyway. I occasionally stick some willow cuttings in the ground. Where you don’t have conifers, I think a patch or string of them can be something the deer really key in on.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 28, 2021 3:44:36 GMT -6
I believe this will be the last year I plant any number of bareroot evergreens. I used to crank out 150 in a few hours in the morning and then work on something else in the afternoon. Now, I plant 100 in a few hours in the morning and then take a bunch of ibuprofen. These are definitely bigger trees than the plugs I used to get from NCR, but I'm not sure I care at this point. I'm either going to start driving up to Itasca and picking up some plugs or give it up for good. I'll be an old ass man by the time these trees are anywhere near providing much for cover anyway. . How tall are your pines and how tall are the spruces? We’re the first in the ground about ten years ago?
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Post by nhmountains on Apr 28, 2021 3:52:00 GMT -6
I forgot my niece gave my brother 100 christmas trees for christmas that'll be coming soon. I have no idea where they're going. I'm guessing they'll be showing up this week or next. Evergreens pop up everywhere on our property on their own.
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Post by Sandbur on Apr 28, 2021 3:54:13 GMT -6
I forgot my niece gave my brother 100 christmas trees for christmas that'll be coming soon. I have no idea where they're going. I'm guessing they'll be showing up this week or next. What species are they?
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Post by smsmith on Apr 28, 2021 5:37:06 GMT -6
I believe this will be the last year I plant any number of bareroot evergreens. I used to crank out 150 in a few hours in the morning and then work on something else in the afternoon. Now, I plant 100 in a few hours in the morning and then take a bunch of ibuprofen. These are definitely bigger trees than the plugs I used to get from NCR, but I'm not sure I care at this point. I'm either going to start driving up to Itasca and picking up some plugs or give it up for good. I'll be an old ass man by the time these trees are anywhere near providing much for cover anyway. . How tall are your pines and how tall are the spruces? We’re the first in the ground about ten years ago? I have some pines pushing 10', most much smaller. Tallest spruces probably 6-7' or so, again most much smaller.
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