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Post by Bob on Oct 13, 2021 15:04:20 GMT -6
Fun thread. Wanders a bit.....but then so be it. I think we are all searching for the holy grail of food plot and soil longevity. It's all good. . It does take the focus off of Let's go Brandon for a while, that's for sure. I'm pumped for Friday. I'll be out in the yard plot in the dark with a flashlight making browse observations. No matter what I find, there will be a read out, or not. Gonna be good whackin' weather this weekend.
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Post by kooch on Oct 13, 2021 15:07:49 GMT -6
Fun thread. Wanders a bit.....but then so be it. I think we are all searching for the holy grail of food plot and soil longevity. It's all good. . It does take the focus off of Let's go Brandon for a while, that's for sure. I'm pumped for Friday. I'll be out in the yard plot in the dark with a flashlight making browse observations. No matter what I find, there will be a read out, or not. Gonna be good whackin' weather this weekend.
What? I think you're sharing too much here buddy.
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 13, 2021 15:52:03 GMT -6
So....should I start posting negative stuff on apple ranching on the apple thread? Just saying. . There is nothing inherently wrong with no-till.....some folks just dont like it. Kinda like anti Trump folks I suppose. They cannot tell me what is wrong with Trump's policies....just that they hate him. Grin. ...and I may never plant another apple tree....but that does not mean you shouldn't do so. . I think we have a misunderstanding here, Tom. My reply was a poor attempt at humor and an explanation after your comment about me being slow to adopt new practices such as no till. I do feel that if a system is working at a lower cost, that change may not be necessary. Experimentation is great and we all can learn. You had a significant weed problem and had too make changes. For now, tillage and conventional planting by my neighbor is the best and cheapest option for me. He has good equipment and uses a crop consultant. I simply can not justify and perhaps can not afford some of the other options even though they might be better. All is well. No hard feelings.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 13, 2021 16:38:41 GMT -6
So....should I start posting negative stuff on apple ranching on the apple thread? Just saying. . There is nothing inherently wrong with no-till.....some folks just dont like it. Kinda like anti Trump folks I suppose. They cannot tell me what is wrong with Trump's policies....just that they hate him. Grin. ...and I may never plant another apple tree....but that does not mean you shouldn't do so. . I think we have a misunderstanding here, Tom. My reply was a poor attempt at humor and an explanation after your comment about me being slow to adopt new practices such as no till. I do feel that if a system is working at a lower cost, that change may not be necessary. Experimentation is great and we all can learn. You had a significant weed problem and had too make changes. For now, tillage and conventional planting by my neighbor is the best and cheapest option for me. He has good equipment and uses a crop consultant. I simply can not justify and perhaps can not afford some of the other options even though they might be better. All is well. No hard feelings. No harm / no foul / all is good Art. . You just gotta add more winks and grins when you write humorous stuff so that I know your making a jab.....rather than taking a shot at my ideas. Grin / wink / nod. . Smile.
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Post by kooch on Oct 13, 2021 16:39:04 GMT -6
I’m just pissed off at everybody. Especially you Art.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 13, 2021 16:44:31 GMT -6
I’m just pissed off at everybody. Especially you Art. Yep....I'm mad as hell and I aint gonna take it no more. Art is so easy to be pissed at.....maybe easier than Stu, SD or you. .
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Post by Sandbur on Oct 13, 2021 16:53:52 GMT -6
I’m just pissed off at everybody. Especially you Art. Yep....I'm mad as hell and I aint gonna take it no more. Art is so easy to be pissed at.....maybe easier than Stu, SD or you. . Sandburs are know to be irritating as hell if you walk through them this time of year. The handle fits!
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Post by MN Slick on Oct 14, 2021 7:52:48 GMT -6
Nice work on the Genesis Foggy! Is it the "light" version? Question for you on your summer plan. I've seen you reference a monoculture of buckwheat multiple times and am wondering why you are leaning that way? One of the 5 soil health principles critical to the whole Regen theory is planting diverse multi species mixes where the species work together to improve soil chemistry and prime it for the following crop. Why not maximize the growing season with diversity? yep....it's the light version...which is more than heavy enough in the sand I got. In fact....I dont think there are many of the "heavy" version of this drill sold. The "light" version in a 5 footer is about all I can pick up with my tractor at somewhere around 2500 lbs loaded. Pretty stout machine....weighs double of my current drill. I am not intending to have a monoculture of buckwheat....not sure where you got that idea?? I have three clover varieties and some Delar Small burnettt going.....and will have the remains of the collards, PTT, radish, winter peas and the rye that I will terminate (or the weather cycle will terminate).....and then sow the buckwheat and likely some more red clover as a warm season crop.....to get the effects of the green manure later when I plant the fall rye and winter peas and brasica mix. Not sure of the timing on those two plantings....but kinda have to go with the crop conditions and weather. I think I will plant in early to mid June.......and again in late August / early Sept. Those dates work well for me with my travels to OZ. May try to add some alfalfa at some point too.....and perhaps use up my soybeans with the buckwheat...dunno. Always looking for advice. Some guys do well with hairy vetch too....and I know some like Sudan grass.....and sorghum looks interesting to me. Lots to learn.....but I do not plan for any monoculture of anything at this point. Gotcha. I'm looking forward to how things work out for you. You will love how easy the Genesis is to calibrate. Hairy vetch is a great addition to fall plots, overwintered well for me in MO and crimp terminated in the spring. Most warm season mixes have some type of sorghum sudan grass in them. It crimp terminates easily but I obviously had a bunch of sorghum seed in the seed bank from my summer planting because plenty of it popped up with my fall mix.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 14, 2021 10:44:03 GMT -6
yep....it's the light version...which is more than heavy enough in the sand I got. In fact....I dont think there are many of the "heavy" version of this drill sold. The "light" version in a 5 footer is about all I can pick up with my tractor at somewhere around 2500 lbs loaded. Pretty stout machine....weighs double of my current drill. I am not intending to have a monoculture of buckwheat....not sure where you got that idea?? I have three clover varieties and some Delar Small burnettt going.....and will have the remains of the collards, PTT, radish, winter peas and the rye that I will terminate (or the weather cycle will terminate).....and then sow the buckwheat and likely some more red clover as a warm season crop.....to get the effects of the green manure later when I plant the fall rye and winter peas and brasica mix. Not sure of the timing on those two plantings....but kinda have to go with the crop conditions and weather. I think I will plant in early to mid June.......and again in late August / early Sept. Those dates work well for me with my travels to OZ. May try to add some alfalfa at some point too.....and perhaps use up my soybeans with the buckwheat...dunno. Always looking for advice. Some guys do well with hairy vetch too....and I know some like Sudan grass.....and sorghum looks interesting to me. Lots to learn.....but I do not plan for any monoculture of anything at this point. Gotcha. I'm looking forward to how things work out for you. You will love how easy the Genesis is to calibrate. Hairy vetch is a great addition to fall plots, overwintered well for me in MO and crimp terminated in the spring. Most warm season mixes have some type of sorghum sudan grass in them. It crimp terminates easily but I obviously had a bunch of sorghum seed in the seed bank from my summer planting because plenty of it popped up with my fall mix. Yep. That is one of the things I need to learn pretty soon. I wonder about cover crops like hairy vetch and Sudan grass and Sorgum when added to my rye and / or buckwheat plans. They likely need to be terminated at different times (and by different means?) than my Rye or Buckwheat cover which can easily be terminated by a roller crimper without destroying the clovers and Delar. I wonder about Hairy Vetch becoming invasive and hard to control in future seasons.....same for Sorgum. I would like to add some variety....but a little afraid to let the genie out of the bottle. . I just dont have much experience in this area.
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Post by Foggy on Oct 14, 2021 11:22:08 GMT -6
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Post by Foggy on Jan 5, 2022 21:36:22 GMT -6
I've been looking at the saya507 as well. If I could convince myself I needed a drill, that's what I'd buy. Pro's: less seed used, better soil contact, less tillage, I think I'd get better stands, etc. Cons: not sure I'd use it enough to warrant the cost. I have about 6.5a I can plant, but usually only plant 1.5a annually. I sure want one for fun though.... Actually, I bought the Saya 505 (they dont even show this on their website yet....it's the same in every way...but two feet narrower).as that was available......and would have had to wait until December (if it was really gonna happen?) and would have to pay a price increase as well. Mine is a 5 foot wide instead of a 7 foot wide. I saved about $2000 over what I may have paid for the 507.....and it was a bit uncertain how it was all gonna shake out. Price is about $1000 per foot. Grin. Knowing what I know now.....I would again buy the 505 over the 507.....given my circumstances. The 505 machine is slightly narrower than my tractor tires so I dont need to worry about catching the machine as I work along the timberline (almost all my plots are long narrow plots in timber). I may spend about 20% more time in my tractor to seed the plots....but that is minimal time spent each year. Maybe a couple more hours? It requires less horsepower to pull the 505 than the two foot wider 507....which would be the "limit" for a 35 hp machine. I dont have a huge concern with this....but some might. I think I could pull the 505 machine with a GOOD sub-compact tractor?? And almost any compact tractor of about 25 HP. (a bit of a guess on my part...depending on soils and such). One thing folks want in a no-till drill is allot of weight on those front coulters to cut through the sod and trash. Nice thing about these drill is they are well built and very strong....yet fairly light weight which allows almost any three point to pick them up. My 5 footer weighs about 1200 lbs. When I add some seed and PLACE SOME WEIGHT ON THE FRONT PLATFORMS (which are designed for this) I can add a few hundred pounds more......and get the weight necessary to get those seven coulters to cut sod and thatch, etc. That is a big deal. There are a few SAYA 505's still floating around out there in dealer inventories going into fall. But you gotta do a bit of searching to find one. If you call the factory...they will put you through to the guy in charge of the state you live in.....and he will find a unit for you. Nice folks....and they seemed to know their stuff. I lucked out on mine....and got thru to the rep right away....whom was in this very area seeing my dealer that day. (I think I was struck by lighting??). I paid $5475 plus tax for my machine. I think these are a solid value......but as I said.....I have not had mine in the dirt yet. Stay tuned. I never quibbled the price....paid MSRP....and tax. Glad to buy it. Kinda pumped on this machine right now. grin. A guy near St Louis MO called me tonight for a reference on the Tar River Saya drill. He said he has been following this thread (and others here) and liked reading about this stuff. I believe I told hime I paid $4300 plus tax....but that is wrong. Actually as said above I paid $5475 plus tax for my machine. (funny how memory fades ). Anyway....as I told him I would buy it again. Gets the job done and is quite affordable in the scheme of things. Hope he reads this. Not many machines out there so if a guy wants one for spring you gotta act on 'em. I think I will be saleing my Tar River Saya come spring.....but only if my RTP Genesis shows up as promised and provided it works behind my tractor. Machinery is in short supply in these times. I'm waiting on both the drill and a roller/crimper to show up.....and both have been delayed by ocean shipment issues. Lets go Brandon.
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Post by Reagan on Jan 5, 2022 22:05:36 GMT -6
Rifle and size 13 boots for size reference on my no till driveway brassica.
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Post by terrifictom on Jan 6, 2022 8:15:14 GMT -6
Actually, I bought the Saya 505 (they dont even show this on their website yet....it's the same in every way...but two feet narrower).as that was available......and would have had to wait until December (if it was really gonna happen?) and would have to pay a price increase as well. Mine is a 5 foot wide instead of a 7 foot wide. I saved about $2000 over what I may have paid for the 507.....and it was a bit uncertain how it was all gonna shake out. Price is about $1000 per foot. Grin. Knowing what I know now.....I would again buy the 505 over the 507.....given my circumstances. The 505 machine is slightly narrower than my tractor tires so I dont need to worry about catching the machine as I work along the timberline (almost all my plots are long narrow plots in timber). I may spend about 20% more time in my tractor to seed the plots....but that is minimal time spent each year. Maybe a couple more hours? It requires less horsepower to pull the 505 than the two foot wider 507....which would be the "limit" for a 35 hp machine. I dont have a huge concern with this....but some might. I think I could pull the 505 machine with a GOOD sub-compact tractor?? And almost any compact tractor of about 25 HP. (a bit of a guess on my part...depending on soils and such). One thing folks want in a no-till drill is allot of weight on those front coulters to cut through the sod and trash. Nice thing about these drill is they are well built and very strong....yet fairly light weight which allows almost any three point to pick them up. My 5 footer weighs about 1200 lbs. When I add some seed and PLACE SOME WEIGHT ON THE FRONT PLATFORMS (which are designed for this) I can add a few hundred pounds more......and get the weight necessary to get those seven coulters to cut sod and thatch, etc. That is a big deal. There are a few SAYA 505's still floating around out there in dealer inventories going into fall. But you gotta do a bit of searching to find one. If you call the factory...they will put you through to the guy in charge of the state you live in.....and he will find a unit for you. Nice folks....and they seemed to know their stuff. I lucked out on mine....and got thru to the rep right away....whom was in this very area seeing my dealer that day. (I think I was struck by lighting??). I paid $5475 plus tax for my machine. I think these are a solid value......but as I said.....I have not had mine in the dirt yet. Stay tuned. I never quibbled the price....paid MSRP....and tax. Glad to buy it. Kinda pumped on this machine right now. grin. A guy near St Louis MO called me tonight for a reference on the Tar River Saya drill. He said he has been following this thread (and others here) and liked reading about this stuff. I believe I told hime I paid $4300 plus tax....but that is wrong. Actually as said above I paid $5475 plus tax for my machine. (funny how memory fades ). Anyway....as I told him I would buy it again. Gets the job done and is quite affordable in the scheme of things. Hope he reads this. Not many machines out there so if a guy wants one for spring you gotta act on 'em. I think I will be saleing my Tar River Saya come spring.....but only if my RTP Genesis shows up as promised and provided it works behind my tractor. Machinery is in short supply in these times. I'm waiting on both the drill and a roller/crimper to show up.....and both have been delayed by ocean shipment issues. Lets go Brandon. I hope that your tractor can handle the RTP Genesis. When I talked to them they recommended 45 to 50 hp tractor for that size drill. It will be interesting to see if your tractor will handle it.
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Post by Catscratch on Jan 6, 2022 8:32:04 GMT -6
Rifle and size 13 boots for size reference on my no till driveway brassica. Dude, you need to spray your drive more often!
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