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Post by Foggy on May 29, 2023 17:11:09 GMT -6
^ looks like you got as sandy of ground as I do Tom. Hopefully we get some rain this week. I thought you went to a drill? no? If so.....why are you not doing no-till? ( Just curious.) The soil by me is called Antigo silt loam. It is so dry right now it is powder. My drill is a Van Brunt grain drill which requires tillage before planting with it. I looked at no till drills but my L3301 would not handle them well and 2nd I can not justify the cost vs amount of use for me. Have you tried to use it as a no-till drill. Lots of guys seem to "get away" with using a conventional drill as a no-till drill in light soils. Kinda what I am doing.....only I got a 3 point drill. (but I thought you did that too?)
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Post by terrifictom on May 29, 2023 17:28:27 GMT -6
The soil by me is called Antigo silt loam. It is so dry right now it is powder. My drill is a Van Brunt grain drill which requires tillage before planting with it. I looked at no till drills but my L3301 would not handle them well and 2nd I can not justify the cost vs amount of use for me. Have you tried to use it as a no-till drill. Lots of guys seem to "get away" with using a conventional drill as a no-till drill in light soils. Kinda what I am doing.....only I got a 3 point drill. (but I thought you did that too?) This is what I have. Not enough weight for no till.
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Post by honker on May 29, 2023 18:45:01 GMT -6
I would love to have some of the big plots I see on this thread. Then I look at what I dig up to clear a 0.1 of an acre and realize the small no till plots and native browse is what I’ll be using for the foreseeable future
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Post by terrifictom on May 29, 2023 19:27:31 GMT -6
I would love to have some of the big plots I see on this thread. Then I look at what I dig up to clear a 0.1 of an acre and realize the small no till plots and native browse is what I’ll be using for the foreseeable future You should see some of the boulders in the wooded area of my property, they are huge. They wanted to run the ice age trail thru my property.
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Post by honker on May 29, 2023 20:12:10 GMT -6
I would love to have some of the big plots I see on this thread. Then I look at what I dig up to clear a 0.1 of an acre and realize the small no till plots and native browse is what I’ll be using for the foreseeable future You should see some of the boulders in the wooded area of my property, they are huge. They wanted to run the ice age trail thru my property. This is my personal favorite. It won’t be moving
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Post by windgypsy on Jun 7, 2023 8:18:44 GMT -6
Posted for critique on H-T but here's the plan for this fall:
I'm abandoning my lick creek'ish split plot plan and going to plant the same blend on nearly all the plots with the exception of a 10' clover/chicory perimeter ring where things are more likely to be shaded. Also like the idea of perennial clover/chicory for when i have burn down the rye/clover from prior year but have young sorghum coming up for screen as an alternative because the sorghum got browsed heavily last year when it was young and the main plots were nuked.
I'm about to finalize order that would result in the below blend to be drilled into last year's rye/clover after spraying gly in July. I would follow up with 100# of rye surface broadcasted around labor day. The poundage for each is way higher than green cover seeds mix calculator would come up with and generally lower than what was used in lick creek mix or other established lick creek nock-off blends. This will receive heavy browse pressure so the rates seemed reasonable to me. Assuming AWP will largely be wiped out, forage oats will be heavily browsed (and about a month from frost kill), and clover will hardly be started by the time rye is broadcasted. Idea is that there will be sufficient rye/clover to keep things covered through the next spring/summer when i plant the following fall plots.
#/acre Forage Oats 28 AWP 35 Radish 5 PTT 0.5 Fixation C 4 Alsike C 2 MRC 3
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Post by Foggy on Jun 16, 2023 19:43:20 GMT -6
Made my Great Plains drill ready today by making some changes for my way of doing things. I got the setting about right for my July planting of brassicas and replacement clovers. I need to terminate the clover first via chemical burn down.....as my clover is too damn prolific. It outcompetes about anything I plant. (a nice problem to have....but it is a problem when planting brassica). I got all my drill calibrations in ......and measured and weighed and blended about 9 varieties of seeds. Should be ready to go. Anxious to get the drill in the ground.....but gotta be patient a few more weeks. I have never had such good looking clover over about 8 acres of clover and rye. I will terminate 1/2 (4 acres) and plant brasica in that space with more clover. Then overseed with rye and more clover in late August....if all goes to plan. The clover actually prevents my rye from growing in some places (I think). No tillage and a drill is the real Schmidt. . Thought I better post up some pics here. (been getting pretty good advice from a few similar guys on the dark side site). I cannot believe we are in the middle of a drought!!Some of the pics below show where I was pulling the drill thru the clover to check for drill penetration. Was just fine. That clover is about 16" to 18" high.....and thicker than a DQ blizzard.
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Post by Foggy on Jun 16, 2023 19:49:34 GMT -6
^^ Thanks to many of you guys for getting me started on this NO-TiLL journey.....about 2 years back. It's really been rewarding for me......and a huge time saver. I have done very little at my place this year.....just a little spraying and I mowed my yard last week. I do not plan to do much of anything.....until July rolls around.
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Post by honker on Jun 16, 2023 21:50:31 GMT -6
^^ Thanks to many of you guys for getting me started on this NO-TiLL journey.....about 2 years back. It's really been rewarding for me......and a huge time saver. I have done very little at my place this year.....just a little spraying and I mowed my yard last week. I do not plan to do much of anything.....until July rolls around. . That is some lush looking clover for how dry it is. almost hard to picture something growing out of that competition. Looks great!
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 17, 2023 1:28:40 GMT -6
Made my Great Plains drill ready today by making some changes for my way of doing things. I got the setting about right for my July planting of brassicas and replacement clovers. I need to terminate the clover first via chemical burn down.....as my clover is too damn prolific. It outcompetes about anything I plant. (a nice problem to have....but it is a problem when planting brassica). I got all my drill calibrations in ......and measured and weighed and blended about 9 varieties of seeds. Should be ready to go. Anxious to get the drill in the ground.....but gotta be patient a few more weeks. I have never had such good looking clover over about 8 acres of clover and rye. I will terminate 1/2 (4 acres) and plant brasica in that space with more clover. Then overseed with rye and more clover in late August....if all goes to plan. The clover actually prevents my rye from growing in some places (I think). No tillage and a drill is the real Schmidt. . Thought I better post up some pics here. (been getting pretty good advice from a few similar guys on the dark side site). I cannot believe we are in the middle of a drought!!Some of the pics below show where I was pulling the drill thru the clover to check for drill penetration. Was just fine. That clover is about 16" to 18" high.....and thicker than a DQ blizzard. That looks great! Did you put any lime down? Will you be clipping that clover and rye, provided we get some rain?
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Post by Foggy on Jun 17, 2023 6:56:22 GMT -6
Going to nuke about 4 acres with Gly and a bit of 24-d about July 1st. Then wai a week or so before no-tilling my brassica and replacement clovers into the dead, but standing crop shown here. Then I will roll the dead rye and clover over the seeds I put down with the drill for mulch. The clover should provide the needed nitrogen and other fertilizer properties to get my brassica going. Provided we get some rain. Then in late August I will broadcast rye over the brassica and drill my other 4 acres with more winter rye.
I likely will clip the 4 acres of clover at some point when rain either happens or looks eminent. Gotta play that by ear. I never did put down any lime......my soil tests looked pretty good as I have a ph of about 6 on theses plots......and even have a organic matter that is now over 2. Not sure if I will put any lime down in the future......and perhaps no fertilizer going forward??
I did have about 2 acres that I had thought I would lime heavily.....and put some more on my existing plots. I nixed that expansion idea as that land is too close to my neighbor and I dont want my deer going there. Gonna just let that be a perimeter trail and go to grass.
I have not used a tank of fuel so far this year. Very limited amount of work to date. This no till plan is the real deal for me.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 17, 2023 6:59:02 GMT -6
Going to nuke about 4 acres with Gly and a bit of 24-d about July 1st. Then wai a week or so before no-tilling my brassica and replacement clovers into the dead, but standing crop shown here. Then I will roll the dead rye and clover over the seeds I put down with the drill for mulch. The clover should provide the needed nitrogen and other fertilizer properties to get my brassica going. Provided we get some rain. Then in late August I will broadcast rye over the brassica and drill my other 4 acres with more winter rye. I likely will clip the 4 acres of clover at some point when rain either happens or looks eminent. Gotta play that by ear. this no till plan is the real deal for me. Congrats on growing some really nice looking deer chow. Now it's time to shoot some deer, right?
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Post by Foggy on Jun 17, 2023 7:07:19 GMT -6
Going to nuke about 4 acres with Gly and a bit of 24-d about July 1st. Then wai a week or so before no-tilling my brassica and replacement clovers into the dead, but standing crop shown here. Then I will roll the dead rye and clover over the seeds I put down with the drill for mulch. The clover should provide the needed nitrogen and other fertilizer properties to get my brassica going. Provided we get some rain. Then in late August I will broadcast rye over the brassica and drill my other 4 acres with more winter rye. I likely will clip the 4 acres of clover at some point when rain either happens or looks eminent. Gotta play that by ear. this no till plan is the real deal for me. Congrats on growing some really nice looking deer chow. Now it's time to shoot some deer, right? For sure. Lots of activity in my plots at all times of day. Feeding lots of deer......but dont see any booner's so far. The deer sure look healthy now....copared to a month ago.
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Post by smsmith on Jun 17, 2023 7:32:11 GMT -6
Congrats on growing some really nice looking deer chow. Now it's time to shoot some deer, right? For sure. Lots of activity in my plots at all times of day. Feeding lots of deer......but dont see any booner's so far. The deer sure look healthy now....copared to a month ago. No booners here either....in fact I've never had one on camera here. Probably had 3-4 on cam at my old place. I think I've seen two bucks with my own eyes that would have been B&C bucks. A guy has to be happy with realistic goals. 150" here is a realistic goal. At my folks' old place in Juneau County, WI a guy could have hunted for three lifetimes and never seen a 150" buck.
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Post by Sandbur on Jun 17, 2023 11:24:20 GMT -6
For sure. Lots of activity in my plots at all times of day. Feeding lots of deer......but dont see any booner's so far. The deer sure look healthy now....copared to a month ago. No booners here either....in fact I've never had one on camera here. Probably had 3-4 on cam at my old place. I think I've seen two bucks with my own eyes that would have been B&C bucks. A guy has to be happy with realistic goals. 150" here is a realistic goal. At my folks' old place in Juneau County, WI a guy could have hunted for three lifetimes and never seen a 150" buck. My place up north is like your Dad’s place for 150 inch bucks. Here where I live, my neighbor said it is hard to get a deer over 140. True, but they show up occasionally.
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